2018 Hard Knocks Thread

[chuxtrux]

Todd Haley trying to get Hue to toughen the team up and get more players out there practicing. Feels like I am back in 2009 listening to Haley talking about getting guys more mentally tough. Also, feel bad for Hue though with his mom dying.

[BlackOp]

My biggest take away...nix the stripe on the helmet and go with solid orange...and take the writing off the legs of the uniform. It looks like shit...that is all.

[rico]

Originally Posted by -King-

So why is he in Cleveland then?
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Well I mean...he could have worse gigs if you consider the long term. What if Hue gets fired this year and Mayfield and the rest ended up turning the corner after he was fired. I'm sure Haley and Gregg would probably be frontrunners for the HC spot.... what if the team turned it around after Hue was fired...they'd be credited with doing the unthinkable....turning the ****ing Cleveland Browns around. Whoever turns that franchise around will be legend status in that city. I'm sure that is appealing to a lot of coaches.

And yeah, he's in Cleveland...but it's not like they don't have anything that seems to be potentially going for them. Myles Garrett last year among others. Mayfield/Ward among others this year. Gordon back in the mix. Jarvis freaking Landry.

Not to mention the attention they are receiving from Hard Knocks.


Yeah, it's Cleveland, but he has a job and the future is potentially bright in terms of the team playing well and who gets credit for it. It's not like he's walking into a Matt Cassel team that is repeatedly slaughtered or bailed out by the D, Charles, Moeaki and Bowe making crazy acrobatic catches to poorly thrown passes. I'm sure he likes what he's working with a hell of a lot more now than he did here.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by rico

Well I mean...he could have worse gigs if you consider the long term. What if Hue gets fired this year and Mayfield and the rest ended up turning the corner after he was fired. I'm sure Haley and Gregg would probably be frontrunners for the HC spot.... what if the team turned it around after Hue was fired...they'd be credited with doing the unthinkable....turning the ****ing Cleveland Browns around. Whoever turns that franchise around will be legend status in that city. I'm sure that is appealing to a lot of coaches.

And yeah, he's in Cleveland...but it's not like they don't have anything that seems to be potentially going for them. Myles Garrett last year among others. Mayfield/Ward among others this year. Gordon back in the mix. Jarvis freaking Landry.

Not to mention the attention they are receiving from Hard Knocks.


Yeah, it's Cleveland, but he has a job and the future is potentially bright in terms of the team playing well and who gets credit for it. It's not like he's walking into a Matt Cassel team that is repeatedly slaughtered or bailed out by the D, Charles, Moeaki and Bowe making crazy acrobatic catches to poorly thrown passes. I'm sure he likes what he's working with a hell of a lot more now than he did here.

No I meant if he was such a good coach, why was he let go off like that? Youd think a team would want to keep the OC of their top 5 offense on board instead of letting him take the same job with another team. I don't think Steelers front office is incompetent so I think it's very likely Haley was a hothead like he always is and rubbed a lot of other coaches and players the wrong way.
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[rico]

Originally Posted by -King-

No I meant if he was such a good coach, why was he let go off like that? Youd think a team would want to keep the OC of their top 5 offense on board instead of letting him take the same job with another team. I don't think Steelers front office is incompetent so I think it's very likely Haley was a hothead like he always is and rubbed a lot of other coaches and players the wrong way.
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Yeah, I can see that.

I always see your point, even if I don't want to.

Didn't he have familial history in Pittsburgh? I bet he was elated when he landed that job....not only to work with those offensive players, but from a sentimental standpoint.

He probably grew up just loathing the Browns.

[Baby Lee]

There's an SNL skit to be hand in a corporate drone job where people hug and high five every time there's a firing.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There's an SNL skit to be hand in a corporate drone job where people hug and high five every time there's a firing.

Ok.

[rico]

Babe: I see you deleted a post with the reason, "read the whole thread and your question may be answered." Is this referring to one of my questions? Or -King-'s?

If mine, then I'm sorry if my question has already been answered, Babe. You don't have to communicate that to me passive aggressively via deleted post. You can call me out when I have done something careless like accidentally miss a post that answered a future question I would have. You can even babble a bunch of obscenities at me while you express your frustration with my dumbassery, Babe. It's ok. I won't have a conniption. I'm a big boy.




Speaking of Big Boi…



"Outkaaaaaaast." (In that low Goldmember voice).


Whoa, ya see what I did there, Babe? A DOUBLE Austin Powers reference!!!!! Pretty neat-o, eh????

Sorry if it were my question that frustrated you, Babe.

[rico]

Kind of wanted to hear Haley’s reaction when Orchard got the Casselception!!!

[Discuss Thrower]

Haley has been made somewhat likable after this season.. but that feeling runs contrary to his history. I think it's kind of a byproduct of almost everyone featured on this season being portrayed as likable people.

I also liked how the episodes narrowed in scope to only focusing on the fringe guys for the last two. Focusing on the space cadet Cajuste and family man Orchard were good moves.

Roback's girlfriend is kinda gross, though.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Haley has been made somewhat likable after this season.. but that feeling runs contrary to his history. I think it's kind of a byproduct of almost everyone featured on this season being portrayed as likable people.

I also liked how the episodes narrowed in scope to only focusing on the fringe guys for the last two. Focusing on the space cadet Cajuste and family man Orchard were good moves.

Roback's girlfriend is kinda gross, though.

I always got a kick out of Haley. His antics cracked me up. I always wondered what he could have done with the Chiefs if he had a chance to coach them with an actual QB. I thought he was basically the initial Pioli "fall guy."


I agree with you about Cajuste and Orchard... the exposure they received on the show likely didn't hurt them much.


I think Roback's girlfriend is a cutie. Her support for her man makes her even cuter. I thought she was a fun part of the show.

[PmCakes]

Browns are getting more than 5 wins with Ty-Rod Taylor

[rico]

Originally Posted by PmCakes

Browns are getting more than 5 wins with Ty-Rod Taylor

Kind of a weird thing to think about.

In 2011, 12 QB's were selected in the draft.

Tyrod was #11.

The QB's taken before him were (in order):

Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett
RICKY STANZI THE MANZI
TJ Yates
Nathan Enderle

Tyrod Taylor

After him:

Greg McCllroy

If you were to re-rank or re-draft these QB's...where does Tyrod fit in?

I'll take a stab at it:

1.) Cam
2.) Kaep (made a SB and NFC CG)
3.) Dalton
4.) Taylor
5.) Yates (won a playoff game, didn't he?)
6.) Locker
7.) Ponder
8.) Mallett
9.) Gabbert
10.) Stanzi
11.) McClroy
12.) Enderle

I don't even know if the last 3 ever saw any action. If the last two did, they are ahead of Stanzi (HE JUST NEEDED A CHANCE, DAMMIT!!!)

If 2011 is redrafted, is Tyrod picked in the first two rounds? Because in reality, he was picked in the 6th.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by rico

I always got a kick out of Haley. His antics cracked me up. I always wondered what he could have done with the Chiefs if he had a chance to coach them with an actual QB. I thought he was basically the initial Pioli "fall guy."


I agree with you about Cajuste and Orchard... the exposure they received on the show likely didn't hurt them much.


I think Roback's girlfriend is a cutie. Her support for her man makes her even cuter. I thought she was a fun part of the show.

Haley being a guy that has been a tenured offensive coordinator without ever strapping on a hat and pads is remarkable even with the asterisk his dad was a scout in a "storied" NFL franchise.

Now if he can make Tyrod play like the all-time best version of himself and then develop Mayfield into a competent starter he deserves praise and the Chiefs look like jackasses for tossing him out for failing to make Cassel into a starter.

If he fails at both then it'll be obvious he's coattail ridden two HoF quarterbacks to success.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Haley being a guy that has been a tenured offensive coordinator without ever strapping on a hat and pads is remarkable even with the asterisk his dad was a scout in a "storied" NFL franchise.

Now if he can make Tyrod play like the all-time best version of himself and then develop Mayfield into a competent starter he deserves praise and the Chiefs look like jackasses for tossing him out for failing to make Cassel into a starter.

If he fails at both then it'll be obvious he's coattail ridden two HoF quarterbacks to success.

He was seemingly....innovative at times, for having the Cassel limitations.

Yeah didn't Larry post a tweet of some sort about his dad playing for the team in Remember the Titans and Haley basically not knowing shit about football because he never played? Like a golfer or something. That was pretty much the end of Larry, right?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by rico

I always got a kick out of Haley. His antics cracked me up. I always wondered what he could have done with the Chiefs if he had a chance to coach them with an actual QB. I thought he was basically the initial Pioli "fall guy."


I agree with you about Cajuste and Orchard... the exposure they received on the show likely didn't hurt them much.


I think Roback's girlfriend is a cutie. Her support for her man makes her even cuter. I thought she was a fun part of the show.

Robacks GF looked like she was the first generation of her family to live outside a trailer park, or maybe not, and she was just a little bit manly looking at times.