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Old 12-13-2016, 01:08 PM  
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*NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower Case. Next Generation 5.25-less Design. Include 4 x 2nd Gen FNv2 Fans, High-End WC support, USB3.0, PWM Fan hub, Matte BLK / Red

*ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

*EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0, 08G-P4-6286-KR, 8GB GDDR5X, RGB LED, 10CM FAN, 10 Power Phases, Double BIOS

*CORSAIR RMx Series RM750X 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V & EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power

*Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530

*PNY CS1311 2.5" 240GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSD7CS1311-240-RB

*G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Intel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 Platform Desktop

*Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive

*Windows 10 Home - 64-bit - OEM
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:43 PM   #16
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Are there any key features you look for in a mobo? There are 3 Z170 models that I have on compare in NewEgg, each one has a couple of different features but I can't tell if one is really better than another.
I'm not getting the unclocked K series Intel CPU so the overclocking features don't mean much to me.
Overall size. But your case is large, so nothing to worry about there.

RAM capacity, both in number of slots and max RAM. Scour the reviews for user reports about RAM compatibility or issues.

If you have any current PCI cards, check to make sure the mobo will support it.

Chipset types and versions are the important part though. Especially the Northbridge. This has a Z170, which is currently the best you can get. The Z170 is great for overclocking by the way, even though you're not interested. But the jump from say a Z87 Northbridge to Z170 is pretty big. You're getting more PCIe lanes to work with, faster PCIe lanes, more SATA channels, more USB3 ports, etc.

The next generation is just right around the corner though. Releasing next month. The Intel Kaby Lake chips. Those will be 270/250 chipsets. And as of now, it looks to be another big performance boost. If you're interested, take a look here at the comparisons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...psets#LGA_1151

Not sure what the differences are between the ones you're looking at. But usually that's function specific stuff that's mostly meaningless. If you don't know what the feature is, just ask.
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Old 12-13-2016, 02:59 PM   #17
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One thing i always look at in a MoBo is how much ram it can support. You don't want a MoBo that caps at 16 Gigs of ram if you anticipate wanting to upgrade that later.

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Overall size. But your case is large, so nothing to worry about there.

RAM capacity, both in number of slots and max RAM. Scour the reviews for user reports about RAM compatibility or issues.

If you have any current PCI cards, check to make sure the mobo will support it.

Chipset types and versions are the important part though. Especially the Northbridge. This has a Z170, which is currently the best you can get. The Z170 is great for overclocking by the way, even though you're not interested. But the jump from say a Z87 Northbridge to Z170 is pretty big. You're getting more PCIe lanes to work with, faster PCIe lanes, more SATA channels, more USB3 ports, etc.

The next generation is just right around the corner though. Releasing next month. The Intel Kaby Lake chips. Those will be 270/250 chipsets. And as of now, it looks to be another big performance boost. If you're interested, take a look here at the comparisons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...psets#LGA_1151

Not sure what the differences are between the ones you're looking at. But usually that's function specific stuff that's mostly meaningless. If you don't know what the feature is, just ask.
Thank you both, this helps.
Dammit Fish, why'd you have to tell me about new chipsets coming from Intel? I am having a hard enough time knowing the AMD ZEN is coming in Q217..
**EDIT**CNET doesn't think KabyLake will be that much of an improvement at all over SkyLake. That makes me feel better.
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Old 12-13-2016, 04:40 PM   #18
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Vail, I'd go with the 6600K over the 6600. Sounds like you're going to push the limits with VR, might as well overclock your CPU. You can only overclock with the K versions.

Also, nobody can really know how much more powerful the KabyLake will be until they actually test them out. Everything else is hearsay. I think we should know in January. Hopefully.
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Old 12-13-2016, 11:03 PM   #19
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Vail, I'd go with the 6600K over the 6600. Sounds like you're going to push the limits with VR, might as well overclock your CPU. You can only overclock with the K versions.
100% this. Get the 6600K. Your son will easily be able to significantly increase the performance with a little bit of research and a little bit of effort. It's not difficult by any means but, at the same time, feels very satisfying.

That GTX 1080 is going to go a long way, man. This is going to be a beast comp regardless.
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Old 12-14-2016, 09:49 AM   #20
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Vail, I'd go with the 6600K over the 6600. Sounds like you're going to push the limits with VR, might as well overclock your CPU. You can only overclock with the K versions.
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100% this. Get the 6600K. Your son will easily be able to significantly increase the performance with a little bit of research and a little bit of effort. It's not difficult by any means but, at the same time, feels very satisfying.

That GTX 1080 is going to go a long way, man. This is going to be a beast comp regardless.
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I was avoiding the K as I didn't want my son to frazzle the cpu in an overclocking gone wrong but I made this post to ask for advice and I'm going to take yours. Might as well have the capability for down the road.

Thank you for the advice.
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Old 12-14-2016, 12:55 PM   #21
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I was avoiding the K as I didn't want my son to frazzle the cpu in an overclocking gone wrong but I made this post to ask for advice and I'm going to take yours. Might as well have the capability for down the road.

Thank you for the advice.
Just a tip, the K series doesn't come with a stock fan/heatsink. So you'll need to get one. Get a Cyrorig H7. It costs like 30 bucks. Don't do watercooling. Way overkill for a first time builder.

That case rocks. I have it, and it is really quiet.

I prefer the eVGA G2 power supplies over that Corsair power supply but both are good.
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Just a tip, the K series doesn't come with a stock fan/heatsink. So you'll need to get one. Get a Cyrorig H7. It costs like 30 bucks. Don't do watercooling. Way overkill for a first time builder.

That case rocks. I have it, and it is really quiet.

I prefer the eVGA G2 power supplies over that Corsair power supply but both are good.
Yeah dammit, thanks for reminding me.
Good feedback on the case, glad to hear it.
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Just a tip, the K series doesn't come with a stock fan/heatsink. So you'll need to get one. Get a Cyrorig H7. It costs like 30 bucks. Don't do watercooling. Way overkill for a first time builder.

That case rocks. I have it, and it is really quiet.

I prefer the eVGA G2 power supplies over that Corsair power supply but both are good.
The watercooling i suggested is modular and very easy to install. You don't even have to fill it with liquid as it comes prefilled. You literally take it out of the box, mount the radiator to the top of the case, and attach the unit over the processor. Add power to it.

Kablaam! 15 Minute water cooling.

It looks cooler than some massive heatsink on your MoBo and saves a ton of space.
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I was avoiding the K as I didn't want my son to frazzle the cpu in an overclocking gone wrong but I made this post to ask for advice and I'm going to take yours. Might as well have the capability for down the road.

Thank you for the advice.
Overclocking nowadays is as easy as a push of the button. Pretty sure the motherboard listed has the option in BIOS to turn on Overclock.
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I was avoiding the K as I didn't want my son to frazzle the cpu in an overclocking gone wrong but I made this post to ask for advice and I'm going to take yours. Might as well have the capability for down the road.
That's definitely a normal thing to worry about. It's going to be very difficult for him to do any damage, though, as going too high in clock speeds will simply cause annoying stability issues.

He'll do 10 minutes worth of reading/youtube watching (if needed) and be good to go.
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Well we got both builds done this weekend. It was pretty cool. There were a couple of instances where if we wouldn't have had the engineers there to help us we wouldn't have known what to do. Thanks to you who gave suggestions and input.
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Love those cases. I have the black and red one. What was your hardware for those two builds?
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Love those cases. I have the black and red one. What was your hardware for those two builds?
For the older son's:

*NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower Case. Next Generation 5.25-less Design. Include 4 x 2nd Gen FNv2 Fans, High-End WC support, USB3.0, PWM Fan hub, Matte BLK / Blue

*ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

*EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0, 08G-P4-6286-KR, 8GB GDDR5X, RGB LED, 10CM FAN, 10 Power Phases, Double BIOS

*CORSAIR RMx Series RM850X 850W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V & EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power

*Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530

*PNY CS1311 2.5" 240GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSD7CS1311-240-RB

*G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Intel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 Platform Desktop

*Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive

ASUS PCE-AC56 802.11ac Dual-band Wireless-AC1300 PCI-E Adapter
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Love those cases. I have the black and red one. What was your hardware for those two builds?
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NEW NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower Case. Next Generation 5.25-less Design. Include 4 x 2nd Gen FN V2 Fans, High-End WC ...

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Model #:H170 PRO GAMING

MSI Radeon RX 480 DirectX 12 RX 480 GAMING X 8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ATX ...

CORSAIR RMx Series RM750X 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Haswell Ready Full Modular ATX12V & EPS12V SLI and Crossfire Ready Power .
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Intel Core i5-6600 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.3 GHz LGA 1151 65W BX80662I56600 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530

Mushkin Enhanced Reactor 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MKNSSDRE256GB


G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Intel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 ...

Seagate Desktop HDD ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive

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