Not yet late night bullshit: prepare to be depressed.

[Direckshun]

From a scouting report in 2008:

Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

There was one rule that applied before all others for opponents of LSU this season: Find some way to keep Dorsey from destroying the offensive game plan. Few accomplished the feat and those that did were required to devote more than one player to handle the task. Dorsey simply can't be contained one-on-one. He has the awards to illustrate his dominance, as he claimed the Bronko Nagurski Award for defensive player of the year, the Vince Lombardi Award for outstanding lineman and the Outland Trophy as most outstanding interior lineman. As a senior, Dorsey had 64 tackles (39 solo), 11.5 tackles for loss and six sacks while playing the second half of the season with a sore knee. He's explosive off the ball, which helped him consistently collapse the pocket. He's more than just a space eater against the run. He has the speed to shoot gaps and strength to fight through double teams and get to the ball-carrier. He doesn't have long arms, which can let blockers get in on him. But, he still gets off blocks well. The bottom line is he's just more athletic than a man his size should be and what has NFL scouts drooling is he knows how to maximize his physical gifts. With Miami holding the No. 1 pick and in dire need of help to stop the run, there's a good possibility he's the top selection. If the Dolphins pass, he won't last long.

2009:

Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

At one point during the 2007 season, Jackson was thought to become a first round pick in the NFL Draft if he declined to return to Baton Rouge for his senior year. A disappointing junior campaign, however, left Jackson with a diminished draft stock and convinced him to return to LSU. He recorded only 3.5 sacks (down from 8.5 in his sophomore season) and 4.5 tackles-for-loss. His numbers did explode off the charts in 2008 (4.5 sacks), but that was in part because LSU had so many other future NFL stars making plays on the defensive end of the field. The good news for Jackson is that the NFL will love his physical makeup regardless of his stats. He can carry his 6'5", 292-pound frame through a 40-yard-dash in about 4.8 seconds. Jackson seems even faster than that coming off the end, even though his end speed isn't exactly dominant. His long wing span also comes in handy for wreaking havoc on opposing quarterbacks. Inconsistency is an issue for Jackson, but part of that is due to seeing double-teams from offensive lines. That won't happen to him in the NFL, at least not right away. Furthermore, Jackson should be able to play either end in a 3-4 scheme or tackle in a 3-4, and that versatility is valued in the NFL. Look for Jackson to come off the board in the middle of the first round in this month's draft.

The second-to-last sentence in this one will make you groan:

Alex Magee, DE, Purdue

Alex Magee could join the long line of Boilermaker defenders to make it to the NFL in recent years. Purdue had a disappointing season, but Magee continued to play fairly well. He has bounced back and forth from year to year (and even game to game) between defensive tackle and defensive end while at Purdue. Magee has shown a great deal of versatility during his collegiate career. He has appeared in 50 games during his four years at Purdue. For his career he has registered 117 tackles, 14 tackles for loss, 6 sacks, 4 passes broken up in coverage, 1 interception, and forced 3 fumbles. The key to his draft status will be what position NFL GMs see him playing. He has bulked up to 295 pounds for this season, giving him the size to play defensive end in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. Magee's best position however, may be as a pass rushing under tackle, playing next to one of the big NFL space eaters at the nose tackle. Magee also gives teams a big boost in the kicking game. He has some experience lining up as the personal protector for the punter on special teams, and has blocked 3 kicks during his time at Purdue. Time will only tell if Magee's lack of a definite position hurts his stock, or makes him a target of multiple teams with diverse needs. Magee should be able to produce good combine numbers, which should elevate him in many GM's eyes. If he has good workouts, he could hear his name called sometime in the fourth round. Alex Magee was a late add to January's Senior Bowl event. Even though he got there late, Magee was impressive. Many scouts found him to be quicker and more powerful than they had seen on tape. He recorded only 1 tackle during the game. His performance, coupled with the number of teams switching to the 3-4 defense, should help to improve his stock. Because he's an ideal fit at the 3-4 defensive end, he'll likely get drafted higher than he would have if that position wasn't so highly sought after this year. Alex Magee had a solid workout at the NFL Combine. He ran a good time of 5.05 seconds in the 40 yard dash, and showed off adequate strength with his 30 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. Magee is rising up draft boards because he's very versatile. He's quick enough to be the left end in a 4-3 defense and strong enough to play inside next to a big nose tackle. He also adds value as a 3-4 end prospect. Magee should be drafted somewhere in the third round of the 2009 draft. Alex Magee lowered his 40 yard dash time to an impressive 4.82 seconds at his Pro Day workout. He has been quietly making his case as the second best 3-4 end prospect in the draft behind Tyson Jackson. Magee will likely be selected in the early third round.

If only, folks. There's an alternate timeline somewhere where Dorsey and Jackson are pounding the shit out of backfields and racking up sacks by the dozen.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You want to know how much of a battered wife I am?

I'd still take Star Lotulelei.

I would hate it but I could understand taking a OT at #1. Same goes for Floyd or Milliner. Taking a non-pass rushing NT at #1 would probably send me over the edge, though.

Which pretty much means that will be the pick.

[mcaj22]

my favorite, guess who

POSITIVES: Efficient and reliable passer that's done well in his college system. Accurate in the short field, leads receivers over the middle and places throws where only his target can make the reception. Solid timing on crossing patterns. Patient in the pocket, effectively reads the defense and does not make poor decisions. Goes through receiver progressions, waits for pass catchers to come free and throws to the safe underneath target if nothing's available downfield. Sets up with solid fundamentals and passes with an over-the-top delivery. Keeps his feet active and easily gets outside the pocket, making the throw on the move. Displays outstanding wherewithal and knows where receivers are on the field. Throws tight spiral with good zip. Stands strong and poised in the pocket as it collapses around him.

NEGATIVES: Must improve his corner patters in the end zone as passes tend to be flat. Rarely threw the ball down field in the Utah system.

ANALYSIS: A natural leader that does an excellent job running the offense, Smith has been very productive the past two years. Stays away from mistakes and has a tremendous touchdown-to-interception ratio. Does not have a deep passing arm just yet but would be initially effective in a timing or West Coast offense as he grows into a pro passing game.

some things never changed, i guess

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

What? No, **** that.

It goes back even further to the Ryan Sims and Junior Siavii days. This franchise has totally dropped the ball on multiple 1st-3rd round picks on fat ****s that waste space. We'll continue to talk about it until we draft a defensive lineman worth a shit.

With as bad as their drafting has been, they might as well play street FA on the DL and use those high picks on playmakers. Would a line of Rape-a-titty, Shawn Smith and Toribio really be that much worse?

[Direckshun]

Seriously, how great would it have been if Dorsey and Jackson had played to their projected potential, as well as Poe getting there this year.

We'd have one of the most feared defenses in the NFL.

Sigh.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Seriously, how great would it have been if Dorsey and Jackson had played to their projected potential, as well as Poe getting there this year.

We'd have one of the most feared defenses in the NFL.

Sigh.

hey man how great would it be if every shitty player that came through KC was a Pro Bowler?

man we'd be awesome

like the best team ever

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

hey man how great would it be if every shitty player that came through KC was a Pro Bowler?

man we'd be awesome

like the best team ever

It's not unreasonable to expect Top 5 picks to, you know, be elite.

We sure never got it, though.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Montgomery would have to put on 30 pounds to play DE in a 3-4. I just don't see that happening when he has basically already been on an NFL strength and conditioning program at LSU.

I was thinking about twenty pounds.









Maybe they could try him at right tackle.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Dorsey's failure is the downside of the draft. Sometimes shit just happens against everyone's best guess.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Hind sight is 50/50. The draft always has the element of chance to it. No need to rehash the past.

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixed!

[mcaj22]

how great would it be if Jon Baldwin played like a first round draft pick

[notorious]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

how great would it be if Jon Baldwin played like a first round draft pick

Who?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

It's not unreasonable to expect Top 5 picks to, you know, be elite.

We sure never got it, though.

We need to figure out when CoMo started making predictions.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dorsey's failure is the downside of the draft. Sometimes shit just happens against everyone's best guess.

2008 seemed like such an amazing draft. With only Albert, Flowers and Charles left, it is still very good. Just lost a little of the shine with the loss of Carr and with Dorsey not living up to his potential.

[CaliforniaChief]

Seriously, that class of 2008 has to be one of the top 10 draft classes ever...even with Dorsey busting.

[Direckshun]

Somebody tell me how this WAS NOT a Top Three defense last year, considering all the resources we poured into it.