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Direckshun · 09-22-2014, 05:46 AM

I've been encouraged by the fight in this Chiefs team over the past two games. I think we've got what it takes to take it to a Patriots squad that is truly reeling.

I think this is the first truly good opponent we beat since we upset New Orleans a couple years ago.

Let's take a look at the roster.

At QB, Tom Brady is having about as bad of a season as he's had -- just in time for me to have him in fantasy football. Thanks, Tom. Tom's got zero rapport with most of his receivers, and he's just flat missing throws. He looks unfocused, the skill positions around him are generally poor (with the one key exception of Julian Edelman), and they've struggled mightily through three weeks.

I like Shane Vereen, and I do wonder why they don't run him more. As of now it seems they're giving Stevan Ridley most of the carries, and he's got that great combo of size and speed, but his YPA has fallen for three years now, and he's only averaging 3.4/carry this year. Vereen's got a lot more wiggle to him, averaging nearly 5 yards a carry.

At receiver, I have no ****ing idea what's going on. You have the exceptional Julian Edelmen and nobody else. Danny Amendola has two week's worth of zero catches -- is he injured? Google doesn't turn up anything for me. Aaron Dobson, Brandon LaFell, and Kenbrell Thomkins round out the receivers corps. If it wasn't for Edelman, I'd say the Chiefs hands-down have the better WR corps -- which is ****ing saying something. And even with him...

The crown jewel of their passing attack, of course, was supposed to be Gronkowski at TE. Who, all told, has looked slower than Fasano.

Say it with me now: Alex Smith has better weapons at his disposal than Tom Brady does.

I have no idea what the Patriots were doing trading Logan Mankins away, because their OL is terrible. Solder and Vollmer are unremarkable at the tackles, I suppose they're good enough, but their interior of Cannon, Wendell, and Connolly are getting slaughtered this year. Poe, Bailey, Walker and Vickerson should feast.

Their defense is a ton better.

The best player on their team as of today is probably Vance Wilfork, who is going to make our guards look silly. I don't know what the Patriots gameplan on defense is, but it probably involves sending Wilfork screaming at McGlynn or Fulton. The Patriots also have two sneaky-good DTs complimenting him in Sealver Siliga (solid runstopper) and Joe Vellano (athletic 3-tech). Of course, they also have the potentially lethal Dominique Easley, who can play both DT and DE, and has an epic first step. He has struggled to get his footing so far, but he has made a couple plays that provide glimpses into the player he could become.

Chandler Jones is their primary rush threat off the edge, and he's done well so far this year. Rob Ninkovich has been around for what seems like 10 years or so, and is playing the best football of his life under Belichek the past three years -- which is to say, fairly okay passrushing and a couple sacks a month. And the Patriots have zero depth at passrusher.

They have one of the best LB corps in the league: Jamie Collins, Jerod Mayo, and Dont'a Hightower are all 1st and 2nd round picks, one of the only 4-3 teams in the league to actually do that -- which explains why they have zero playmakers. Collins is their finesse, Hightower is their power, and Mayo can do it all in the middle of the field. It will be extremely entertaining seeing Kelce try to matching up with them in his route-running and blocking. It will be a challenge.

Brandon Browner may be out, but the Pats are still stacked with talent at corner. We are going to have to win this game without Dwayne Bowe, as he will almost certainly disappear on Revis Island. Alonzo Dennard and Kyle Arrington are a good duo of backup CBs, and I love the potential of Logan Ryan.

Patrick Chung is terrible, but paired with the excellent Devin McCourty, you've got an alright safety lineup -- albeit with zero depth behind them.

Special teams feature one of the best kickers in the game in Gostowski, a middling punter in Ryan Allen, and the great Julian Edelmen returning punts.

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

He "won" a stat debate using Denver as his example, pretty easy to do.

But if he thinks he's got me whipped, he better think again.

The Chiefs certainly have you whipped. You'll ignore all logic and reason to defend that shit team.

splatbass · 09-27-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

The Chiefs certainly have you whipped. You'll ignore all logic and reason to defend that shit team.

When you give us an objective take that doesn't need to cherry pick to make your point work, then you can talk about logic. Until then you are just a common liar.

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

When you give us an objective take that doesn't need to cherry pick to make your point work, then you can talk about logic. Until then you are just a common liar.

Giving up 24 points and 7.1 yards per play over 46 plays is not good defense. Not in any way.

The Chiefs OFFENSE deserves credit.

splatbass · 09-27-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Giving up 24 points and 7.1 yards per play over 46 plays is not good defense. Not in any way.

The Chiefs OFFENSE deserves credit.

Giving up only 24 points to the Denver Mannings is pretty good. Last year they shredded us through the air and we couldn't stop them at all. Even a lying scum like you has to admit we played them better this year, right?

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Giving up only 24 points to the Denver Mannings is pretty good. Last year they shredded us through the air and we couldn't stop them at all. Even a lying scum like you has to admit we played them better this year, right?

The offense did well to make the game more winnable.

FYI they shredded us through the air this year, too. 9.3 YPA? Shredded.

splatbass · 09-27-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

The offense did well to make the game more winnable.

FYI they shredded us through the air this year, too. 9.3 YPA? Shredded.

Points for vs. points against is all that matters at the end. We had a chance to tie them at the end of a game everyone thought we would be blown out in, and you can't enjoy it because you have a giant stick up your ass over Alex Smith. Child, go away and let the adults have a conversation.

crazycoffey · 09-27-2014, 12:24 PM

Clay would tell you his son has Autism, just for a little cold hard chiefs hate...

splatbass · 09-27-2014, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Clay would tell you his son has Autism, just for a little cold hard chiefs hate...

Clay has the stunted emotional level of a 10 year old.

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Points for vs. points against is all that matters at the end. We had a chance to tie them at the end of a game everyone thought we would be blown out in, and you can't enjoy it because you have a giant stick up your ass over Alex Smith. Child, go away and let the adults have a conversation.

And the Broncos go right down the field and win the game on their next possession if we score.

Because of our shit D.

You know it.

HeatEquation · 09-27-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Giving up only 24 points to the Denver Mannings is pretty good. Last year they shredded us through the air and we couldn't stop them at all. Even a lying scum like you has to admit we played them better this year, right?

Well, their offense hasn't been that impressive this year to be honest. Statistically it isn't even top 10 in terms of yards per game, and it's only 9th in points per game.

splatbass · 09-27-2014, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

And the Broncos go right down the field and win the game on their next possession if we score.

Because of our shit D.

You know it.

No one knows, you just hate Alex Smith and the Chiefs so much you assume it.

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

No one knows, you just hate Alex Smith and the Chiefs so much you assume it.

You act like you have no idea who is on our defense, or even watch the games. It's clear the D is really bad.

**Easy 6** · 09-27-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

You act like you have no idea who is on our defense, or even watch the games. It's clear the D is really bad.

See, thats your problem, you refuse to say ANYTHING good even when its there to be said.

Poe - still an All Pro
Vickerson - dudes no joke in run support
Bailey - looks better every game, came a long way with his pass rush
Hali - you know the deal
Houston - you know the deal, both considered a top 3 duo in the league
Cooper - is quietly playing well
Smith - no matter what you think, he's a + veteran
Abdullah - unspectacular but steady
Berry - you know the deal and he's back this week

Thats a much better talent situation than a lot of teams have.

If the Pats score more than 24 on them, you can give me the dumbest sig on planet earth for a month.

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2014, 01:17 PM

A nice list of players but the results aren't there.

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

If the Pats score more than 24 on them, you can give me the dumbest sig on planet earth for a month.

Done.

As for Cooper, reality check for you my friend.

Marcus Cooper ranks at or near the bottom of almost all of our metrics for cornerbacks. He has surrendered 2.76 Yards per Snap in coverage (worst among corners), and has been targeted once per every 3.9 snaps in coverage, third-worst among corners.

**Easy 6** · 09-27-2014, 01:26 PM

50% credit only for PFF stats, they're just regular joe's like the rest of us.

Using them as the gospel is a fools errand.

09-22-2014, 05:46 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	Let's talk about the Patriots. I've been encouraged by the fight in this Chiefs team over the past two games. I think we've got what it takes to take it to a Patriots squad that is truly reeling. I think this is the first truly good opponent we beat since we upset New Orleans a couple years ago. Let's take a look at the roster. At QB, Tom Brady is having about as bad of a season as he's had -- just in time for me to have him in fantasy football. Thanks, Tom. Tom's got zero rapport with most of his receivers, and he's just flat missing throws. He looks unfocused, the skill positions around him are generally poor (with the one key exception of Julian Edelman), and they've struggled mightily through three weeks. I like Shane Vereen, and I do wonder why they don't run him more. As of now it seems they're giving Stevan Ridley most of the carries, and he's got that great combo of size and speed, but his YPA has fallen for three years now, and he's only averaging 3.4/carry this year. Vereen's got a lot more wiggle to him, averaging nearly 5 yards a carry. At receiver, I have no **ing idea what's going on. You have the exceptional Julian Edelmen and nobody else. Danny Amendola has two week's worth of zero catches -- is he injured? Google doesn't turn up anything for me. Aaron Dobson, Brandon LaFell, and Kenbrell Thomkins round out the receivers corps. If it wasn't for Edelman, I'd say the Chiefs hands-down have the better WR corps -- which is **ing saying something. And even with him... The crown jewel of their passing attack, of course, was supposed to be Gronkowski at TE. Who, all told, has looked slower than Fasano. Say it with me now: Alex Smith has better weapons at his disposal than Tom Brady does. I have no idea what the Patriots were doing trading Logan Mankins away, because their OL is terrible. Solder and Vollmer are unremarkable at the tackles, I suppose they're good enough, but their interior of Cannon, Wendell, and Connolly are getting slaughtered this year. Poe, Bailey, Walker and Vickerson should feast. Their defense is a ton better. The best player on their team as of today is probably Vance Wilfork, who is going to make our guards look silly. I don't know what the Patriots gameplan on defense is, but it probably involves sending Wilfork screaming at McGlynn or Fulton. The Patriots also have two sneaky-good DTs complimenting him in Sealver Siliga (solid runstopper) and Joe Vellano (athletic 3-tech). Of course, they also have the potentially lethal Dominique Easley, who can play both DT and DE, and has an epic first step. He has struggled to get his footing so far, but he has made a couple plays that provide glimpses into the player he could become. Chandler Jones is their primary rush threat off the edge, and he's done well so far this year. Rob Ninkovich has been around for what seems like 10 years or so, and is playing the best football of his life under Belichek the past three years -- which is to say, fairly okay passrushing and a couple sacks a month. And the Patriots have zero depth at passrusher. They have one of the best LB corps in the league: Jamie Collins, Jerod Mayo, and Dont'a Hightower are all 1st and 2nd round picks, one of the only 4-3 teams in the league to actually do that -- which explains why they have zero playmakers. Collins is their finesse, Hightower is their power, and Mayo can do it all in the middle of the field. It will be extremely entertaining seeing Kelce try to matching up with them in his route-running and blocking. It will be a challenge. Brandon Browner may be out, but the Pats are still stacked with talent at corner. We are going to have to win this game without Dwayne Bowe, as he will almost certainly disappear on Revis Island. Alonzo Dennard and Kyle Arrington are a good duo of backup CBs, and I love the potential of Logan Ryan. Patrick Chung is terrible, but paired with the excellent Devin McCourty, you've got an alright safety lineup -- albeit with zero depth behind them. Special teams feature one of the best kickers in the game in Gostowski, a middling punter in Ryan Allen, and the great Julian Edelmen returning punts.
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