ChiefsPlanet Let's talk about fair and consistent moderation - Page 6

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-18-2015, 09:37 AM

I'd like to have an open and honest conversation. I hope you all know me well enough to know I don't mean any ill will. But I know this will likely not go over well.

We need documentation of offenses and punishments. It seems all too often that fairness and rationality is thrown out the window in favor of emotion. Without documenting offenses and punishment, there is no guideline for how to dole out action. It begs for mods to take whatever action they feel at the time, which could range from nothing to full bans. Further, it opens the door wide for mods to rationalize action or non-action. This can be a living document that grows or shrinks with time.

We have too many instances of punishment being made up on the spot. This is not OK. There is no fair and consistent moderation on this board.

The unfair treatment in this place is ridiculous. Deberg gets thumped for being annoying. Inmem gets put on Miserable User for being annoying. Dozens of other users remain untouched. Hootie gets chance after chance after chance. Joey: chance after chance after chance. Inmem: ****ed without warning. Deberg loses thread starting privileges without warning because other posters are bitching.

If we remove users that are annoying, many users would be gone. If we ban people because they post a lot, I can think of dozens of users that would have been gone years ago. Trolls? Please. Unpopular opinions? GTFO.

DC is a freakin' cesspool of rudeness, meanness, and bigotry, and not a single thing happens to anyone in there. Ever. No action taken. We all know that if DC didn't exist, all of that shit would spill into the main forum. It's just an example because it does occasionally spill over here.

Mods occasionally troll certain users (name changes, rep changes, etc.). I’m not trying to take the fun away; as long as it’s temporary, no big deal. It shouldn’t be long-term. Frazod, while questionably batchit crazy, is a good example of this.

I know of one mod who’s given up on trying to do any discipline due to other mods complaining, or members threatening to revolt. Moderation seems based on whichever mod gets annoyed first. This is not a good way to moderate a board.

Do we need some fresh blood? Maybe some mods that cannot control themselves need to fall on the sword and step down. Maybe a mod election would be good.

tl;dr: Moderation here is BS. Let’s find a way to make it right.

**BigRedChief** · 06-18-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconeater

In all fairness, it was funny at the time. My wife posted something on FB about bacon disappearing in our kitchen, and within minutes my username was changed.

I've had my username changed several times and casino cash stolen. But it was done in fun and temporary. That's not the type of mod issue that concerns FMB.

Hootie · 06-18-2015, 12:08 PM

Umm, my one and only post here: I was only banned because one moderator had a personal vendetta against me and had too much power. I never deserved to be banned from this website and that's all I'm adding to this thread.

KCrockaholic · 06-18-2015, 12:10 PM

FMB is right though. Won't matter, mods won't take this thread seriously, or make a change.

**TimBone** · 06-18-2015, 12:11 PM

I should add an edit to my earlier post. I have had a problem with two bannings/issues since I've been here. I thought the last Hootie banning, and Frazod's whole ordeal were bogus. In fairness though, those two push back pretty hard, and that's why things escalated in both situations.

Also, I'll be making another donation to the site in honor of whichever mod MU'd Inmen. Seriously, just last week I almost posted about how much pleasurable and coherent this place has been since he left. I decided not to though, because I thought mentioning his name might bring him out of hiding. I had no idea he had been MU'd. Kudos to the mod. That's solid moderating.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-18-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Umm, my one and only post here: I was only banned because one moderator had a personal vendetta against me and had too much power. I never deserved to be banned from this website and that's all I'm adding to this thread.

This happens more than it should.

**Bob Dole** · 06-18-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

FMB is right though. Won't matter, mods won't take this thread seriously, or make a change.

Bob Dole is filling a basket with hot dogs right now.

**TimBone** · 06-18-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

So people shouldn't be able to post things that the general consensus doesn't agree with? That's stupid. If you don't like someone, put them on ignore and go about your business.

If that's the reason he's banned or miserable user listed, that's kinda lame.

There's nothing wrong with having.an unpopular opinion. Lots of users here have unpopular opinions and get by just fine. Inmen's problem was that he spammed every thread with incoherent, miserable babble. That would be forgivable if he was funny or amusing, but he wasn't. He was unoriginal, repetitive, and nearly illiterate.

He was decent in food threads, I agree. But he should have realized after multiple warnings that if he wanted to be able to continue to pist in those, then he needed to clean up his act in other threads.

tl;dr: **** him.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-18-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

There's nothing wrong with having.an unpopular opinion. Lots of users here have unpopular opinions and get by just fine. Inmen's problem was that he spammed every thread with incoherent, miserable babble. That would be forgivable if he was funny or amusing, but he wasn't. He was unoriginal, repetitive, and nearly illiterate.

He was decent in food threads, I agree. But he should have realized after multiple warnings that if he wanted to be able to continue to pist in those, then he needed to clean up his act in other threads.

tl;dr: **** him.

I don't disagree that he deserved some punishment. But permanent MU is excessive. If he continues to be a PITA despite warnings and short-term bans, by all means, give him the Joey treatment.

But this isn't just about Inmem. He's just an example.

**TimBone** · 06-18-2015, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

I don't disagree that he deserved some punishment. But permanent MU is excessive. If he continues to be a PITA despite warnings and short-term bans, by all means, give him the Joey treatment.

But this isn't just about Inmem. He's just an example.

Out of curiosity, was him being MU'd the latest example that sparked this thread from you? Or have I missed some juicy drama the last few days? I've been pretty busy.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-18-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

Out of curiosity, was him being MU'd the latest example that sparked this thread from you? Or have I missed some juicy drama the last few days? I've been pretty busy.

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

To be fair, he's a perfectly civil human being in there.

Seriously, he's just the latest example. The rampant disregard for objectively moderating this board is ridiculous. This isn't just about Inmem. He was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Red Beans · 06-18-2015, 12:25 PM

There is a great deal of butt hurt in this thread. I think the idea that there can be fair and consistent moderation is a joke, unless there's only one mod. And Jesus knows we're all not going to be goosestepping around to Austin Chief's Hippie war marches or swinging on Floppy's giant Stalinesque mustache rather than just abandoning ship.

The fact that this is actually a discussion tells me that FMB is too serious and has too much time on his hands. The uncertainty is why we love it here. It's the Russian Roulette of the Chiefsian internet.

**Bugeater** · 06-18-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone

lol....I thought Bug's name change had something to do with everyone going to food names last offseason.

I did have it changed to Bacon Cheeseburger for a while at that time, but then it was changed back for a short time before the bacon incident. It's not like it really matters though, everyone knows it's me.

**TimBone** · 06-18-2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

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Ahh. Missed that post.

eDave · 06-18-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

This happens more than it should.

Hootie posting just once in a thread happens less than it should.

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-18-2015, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

I think the idea that there can be fair and consistent moderation is a joke, unless there's only one mod.

Seriously? How hard is it to say, "These are the rules, and here is what will happen to you when you break them."?

That's all I'm asking for. Some kind of SOP so we don't have to tiptoe around hoping we don't annoy a mod that day.

06-18-2015, 09:37 AM
Fire Me Boy! Cast Iron Jedi Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $9999900 VARSITY	Let's talk about fair and consistent moderation I'd like to have an open and honest conversation. I hope you all know me well enough to know I don't mean any ill will. But I know this will likely not go over well. We need documentation of offenses and punishments. It seems all too often that fairness and rationality is thrown out the window in favor of emotion. Without documenting offenses and punishment, there is no guideline for how to dole out action. It begs for mods to take whatever action they feel at the time, which could range from nothing to full bans. Further, it opens the door wide for mods to rationalize action or non-action. This can be a living document that grows or shrinks with time. We have too many instances of punishment being made up on the spot. This is not OK. There is no fair and consistent moderation on this board. The unfair treatment in this place is ridiculous. Deberg gets thumped for being annoying. Inmem gets put on Miserable User for being annoying. Dozens of other users remain untouched. Hootie gets chance after chance after chance. Joey: chance after chance after chance. Inmem: ****ed without warning. Deberg loses thread starting privileges without warning because other posters are bitching. If we remove users that are annoying, many users would be gone. If we ban people because they post a lot, I can think of dozens of users that would have been gone years ago. Trolls? Please. Unpopular opinions? GTFO. DC is a freakin' cesspool of rudeness, meanness, and bigotry, and not a single thing happens to anyone in there. Ever. No action taken. We all know that if DC didn't exist, all of that shit would spill into the main forum. It's just an example because it does occasionally spill over here. Mods occasionally troll certain users (name changes, rep changes, etc.). I’m not trying to take the fun away; as long as it’s temporary, no big deal. It shouldn’t be long-term. Frazod, while questionably batchit crazy, is a good example of this. I know of one mod who’s given up on trying to do any discipline due to other mods complaining, or members threatening to revolt. Moderation seems based on whichever mod gets annoyed first. This is not a good way to moderate a board. Do we need some fresh blood? Maybe some mods that cannot control themselves need to fall on the sword and step down. Maybe a mod election would be good. tl;dr: Moderation here is BS. Let’s find a way to make it right.
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06-18-2015, 12:08 PM	#77
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Umm, my one and only post here: I was only banned because one moderator had a personal vendetta against me and had too much power. I never deserved to be banned from this website and that's all I'm adding to this thread.
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06-18-2015, 12:10 PM	#78
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4752900	FMB is right though. Won't matter, mods won't take this thread seriously, or make a change.
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06-18-2015, 12:11 PM	#79
TimBone Mostly Ignored Join Date: Jul 2013 Casino cash: $8499985	I should add an edit to my earlier post. I have had a problem with two bannings/issues since I've been here. I thought the last Hootie banning, and Frazod's whole ordeal were bogus. In fairness though, those two push back pretty hard, and that's why things escalated in both situations. Also, I'll be making another donation to the site in honor of whichever mod MU'd Inmen. Seriously, just last week I almost posted about how much pleasurable and coherent this place has been since he left. I decided not to though, because I thought mentioning his name might bring him out of hiding. I had no idea he had been MU'd. Kudos to the mod. That's solid moderating.
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06-18-2015, 12:25 PM	#86
Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $3219903	There is a great deal of butt hurt in this thread. I think the idea that there can be fair and consistent moderation is a joke, unless there's only one mod. And Jesus knows we're all not going to be goosestepping around to Austin Chief's Hippie war marches or swinging on Floppy's giant Stalinesque mustache rather than just abandoning ship. The fact that this is actually a discussion tells me that FMB is too serious and has too much time on his hands. The uncertainty is why we love it here. It's the Russian Roulette of the Chiefsian internet.
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