Royals Billy Ray Butler's final game as a Royal will be Game 7 of the World Series - Page 2

Archie F. Swin · 10-29-2014, 07:03 AM

In Kauffman Stadium

Thoughts?

Eleazar · 10-29-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He's a 0 WAR player making a lot of money for a small market. He won't be back. Hope he goes out with a bang tonight.

If he takes market value for his skills then I say bring him back. If some other team wants to pay him above market then sign a similar value player with more defensive utility and move on.

Nothing but love for Billy but maybe it's not a fit for what we do here.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 10-29-2014, 09:52 AM

He'll probably be gone. Right now, it just doesn't make sense financially to re-sign him.

I hope he has a big night tonight, but if anyone should become legend or get that walk-off hit/HR, I'd want it to be Gordon.

Hootie · 10-29-2014, 09:58 AM

Would love nothing more than Billy having a HUGE game and earning World Series MVP

Halfcan · 10-29-2014, 09:59 AM

I think he comes back next year to help defend the Crown.

Prison Bitch · 10-29-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

If he takes market value for his skills then I say bring him back. If some other team wants to pay him above market then sign a similar value player with more defensive utility and move on.

Nothing but love for Billy but maybe it's not a fit for what we do here.

You have to wonder if he wasn't motivated (or able) enough to have a good year in his contract season, what he would produce with a new contract.

cmh6476 · 10-29-2014, 10:19 AM

Is this it for the aoki doki as well?

**alnorth** · 10-29-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

Is this it for the aoki doki as well?

Hopefully. I want Dyson starting in center

okcchief · 10-29-2014, 10:32 AM

I've wanted to dump Billy for a few years. It's well documented on here. If we win tonight I don't give a shit if we keep him or not. It would nice if he took a paycut. I would like a guy who can hit for power to replace Aoki though. At least someone who can platoon with Dyson as needed.

**alnorth** · 10-29-2014, 10:34 AM

Regarding Butler, his contract situation is that we have a $12.5MM team option in 2015 with a $1MM buyout. We are obviously going to decline his option and give him his buyout.

At that point, he becomes a free agent, and he would only come back if we signed him as a free agent for an amount that makes sense.

In 2014 Butler was pretty much worthless, but that was his age 28 year which is too early for a decline and the 5 consecutive years before that he was somewhere between a decent and very good player. 2014 was by far his most horrible season, but we should not necessarily expect that to be the new norm, he should bounce back. How much, we don't know.

I think his market value is a "show me" type of contract, maybe 2 years for 10-12 million followed by some really big team options, and maybe with some incentives piled on top of it.

**alnorth** · 10-29-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

I've wanted to dump Billy for a few years. It's well documented on here. If we win tonight I don't give a shit if we keep him or not. It would nice if he took a paycut. I would like a guy who can hit for power to replace Aoki though. At least someone who can platoon with Dyson as needed.

We got our next starting RF, his name is Lorenzo Cain.

BWillie · 10-29-2014, 10:39 AM

Ah yes. Billy Butler. I remember when he first came up, and they tried to play in in RF a bit. That didn't work out.

okcchief · 10-29-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

We got our next starting RF, his name is Lorenzo Cain.

So you are comfortable starting Dyson everyday in center?

Hootie · 10-29-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

So you are comfortable starting Dyson everyday in center?

Sure, with a platoon guy when we face lefties

Chief_For_Life58 · 10-29-2014, 10:50 AM

Isn't Cain a better cf than dyson?he's bigger and covers more ground than 5 8 dyson

**alnorth** · 10-29-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

So you are comfortable starting Dyson everyday in center?

Yes, I am. His bat is plenty good enough to carry his defensive value.

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10-29-2014, 10:34 AM	#24
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	Regarding Butler, his contract situation is that we have a $12.5MM team option in 2015 with a $1MM buyout. We are obviously going to decline his option and give him his buyout. At that point, he becomes a free agent, and he would only come back if we signed him as a free agent for an amount that makes sense. In 2014 Butler was pretty much worthless, but that was his age 28 year which is too early for a decline and the 5 consecutive years before that he was somewhere between a decent and very good player. 2014 was by far his most horrible season, but we should not necessarily expect that to be the new norm, he should bounce back. How much, we don't know. I think his market value is a "show me" type of contract, maybe 2 years for 10-12 million followed by some really big team options, and maybe with some incentives piled on top of it. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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