Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

[Hootie]

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

You had to add in another excuse to end that one, eh?

They were up 18 points.

...but I realize Brady gets an excuse for every postseason loss

It is a team game. ***I*** never said otherwise. I absolutely agree that Brady didn't somehow single-handedly win those SBs by himself. I would argue with you if you said otherwise. If some fool wanted to downplay the efforts of a very good defense those Super Bowl years, or Corey Dillon in '04, or whatever, then I would fight that fight too.

But here are the simple facts -- if either the defense could stop Manning just freaking ONCE in the 2nd half of that damn comeback game in '06 (OR Brady's offense could score one more time or kill more clock in the 2nd half), or Tyree doesn't make that absurd catch, then Brady has 4 or 5 Super Bowl wins.

It's a game of inches, momentum, luck, intangibles and immeasurables. No single player controls all that, including the quarterback.

Your argument isn't stupid because you're correctly pointing out that the Patriots haven't won the SB in 10 years. It's stupid because you're idiotically laying the blame entirely at Brady's feet, while simultaneously cherry picking stats to try to undermine the resume of one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history -- in fact the WINNINGEST playoff quarterback in NFL history.

Least clutch? He has a .700+ win percentage, and is setting records all the time for winning divisions, conference championships, and Super Bowl statistics just because he manages to keep going back there.

**IF** they go to the SB this year, that would be SIX times in a 13 year career. ALMOST 50% OF THE TIME HE GETS THEM TO THE SUPER BOWL.

Manning got his team there (assuming they DON'T go this year), 3 times in 16 years. That is, uhhh, substantially less than 50% of the time, but still better than most.

[Hootie]

Lot of pressure now for New England to get to the Super Bowl. If they lose it'll be really hard to defend Tom Brady this year.

Actually, check that. No it won't. Everyone will just reference things he did 11-14 years ago. Nevermind. Life is pretty easy for Mr. Brady. Manages an elite defense with an elite coaching staff filming defensive signals and gets a lifetime worth of free passes after that.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

At least Manning has one with no *

Brady has 3 ***

Enjoy that argument. Spygate was much ado about nothing. A PR situation that needed managing. If you think it means the Patriots Super Bowls don't count, that's fine. I don't care.

but hey, you've conveniently already built in excuses for when Brady loses this postseason with the #1 seed

I don't need excuses for Brady. I'm laying out obvious truths. If you're too dense to understand them, that's cool.

I've learned that they can't beat Seattle, so there is built in excuse #1

errr...I haven't "learned" it, I suspect it. I think Seattle is currently the best TEAM in the NFL. I think that they will beat "Rodgers" at some point in the playoffs, and "Brady", or whoever reaches the SB from the AFC. That doesn't make either Rodgers or Brady a "choker", except in your delusional mind.

But I guess, to you, if Brady or Rodgers lose to Seattle this year, that somehow cements Manning as the GOAT, or something.

and when they do lose in the AFC, it'll be because the offensive line didn't block well enough for Brady (built in excuse #2).

That is precisely NOT what I said. I said **if** the OLine doesn't block well, then the Patriots aren't likely to go very far. If they do block well, and yet we lose anyway, then it may well be Brady's fault. I will need to, oh, I dunno, WATCH THE ACTUAL GAME before i assess blame.

Unlike you -- if the Patriots lose, it's automatically Brady's fault, because he's a choker.

Which is exactly the line of thought that we're all laughing at you for. Because it's so obviously stupid.

So I look forward to another year of Brady failing in the playoffs and I already know why they lost!!! Because the offensive line.

Must be nice to be Tom Brady. Remember, he can't throw it, catch it and block for himself at the same time! Amiright?!?!

Just keep praying he DOESN'T win another Super Bowl, because then you really will have nothing to argue about. After you get off your knees and wipe your chin of Manning's spend, you can get back on them and pray for the Patriots to lose.

Hope you're getting knee pads for Christmas.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Personally, I think neither Denver nor New England represents the AFC this year.

Patriots have blown the doors off the Broncos, Bengals (errr, in Cincy I think, don't remember) and Colts this year, and beat the Chargers in SD. Unless the OLine is imploding again like it did early this year, I'm pretty confident of getting to the Super Bowl.

However, you are setting yourself for a long CP hiatus because Peyton Manning gets a BYE, and has to win 1 time (assuming the Pats win) to get New England in Foxboro.

and if Denver beats New England ... you may as well just not log on here for a few months and make sure they are ready to ban me over at PatsPlanet again...

Why would I not log on here? I've been on after every Patriots win or loss, big or small, for over a decade.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I don't even understand this dumbass argument. Manning lost to the SAME "SANCHEZ" TEAM IN THE SAME PLAYOFFS. Do you really want me to go back and count every QB Manning lost to in the playoffs? All 12? Just the 8 one and dones? Do you think they will be all HOF QBs that he "lost to"?

This is dumb. You need to stop.

Steve McNair
Jay Fiedler
Chad Pennington
Brady
Brady
Big Ben
Rivers
Rivers
Mark Sanchez
Brees
Joe Flacco
Wilson

This is somehow better than what Brady did.

[Hootie]

you guys obviously don't understand the point of this thread

clearly, I (on record) think Brady is great

The point is; when Manning loses in the playoffs it's ALWAYS his fault and he's ALWAYS a choker.

When Brady loses, he always gets an excuse, it's always "his team wasn't good enough!" and he's never a choker.

Are you guys starting to get it?

Why does Brady get every excuse while Manning is always to blame?

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[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

you guys obviously don't understand the point of this thread

clearly, I (on record) think Brady is great

The point is; when Manning loses in the playoffs it's ALWAYS his fault and he's ALWAYS a choker.

When Brady loses, he always gets an excuse, it's always "his team wasn't good enough!" and he's never a choker.

Are you guys starting to get it?

Why does Brady get every excuse while Manning is always to blame?

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Because Brady has 3 rings.

[Hootie]

and the Rodgers thread was the same thing ...

Rodgers has had 1 good playoff run. 1. Brett Favre was far more successful to start his postseason career than Aaron Rodgers.

Yet, Rodgers, despite losing twice in a row (once as the #1 seed) to Colin Kaepernick, and underachieving in the postseason despite his physicals gifts, also gets every pass in the world. "His defense is bad!" "His line sucks!"

But Manning never gets any excuses.

Why?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

Because Brady has 3 rings.

Let's pretend Spygate didn't exist.

This is all well and dandy, Billay ...

But those three rings happened over a decade ago...all of them. And those three rings all happened because the Patriots had a competent offense, an elite defense, elite special teams, and elite coaching.

Tom Brady shouldn't get ALL OF THE CREDIT for those just like he shouldn't take ALL OF THE BLAME for 10 years of postseason failure just like Peyton Manning shouldn't take ALL OF THE BLAME for 8 one and done's.

Anything making sense yet?

[Titty Meat]

Because the knock on Manning all throughout his college career was he could never win the big one. He proved everyone right for almost a decade and finally won a super bowl ironically enough it was his defense that carried him to that championship.

Brady lead his team from comeback victories in all of his championships.


Seriously man you are over thinking this.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

you guys obviously don't understand the point of this thread

clearly, I (on record) think Brady is great

The point is; when Manning loses in the playoffs it's ALWAYS his fault and he's ALWAYS a choker.

When Brady loses, he always gets an excuse, it's always "his team wasn't good enough!" and he's never a choker.

Are you guys starting to get it?

Why does Brady get every excuse while Manning is always to blame?

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How come it is you don't see the very glaring and obvious differences in the relative offensive skill players these two have had to work with over the span of their careers?

[Hootie]

Manning's defense did not carry him to a championship.

How many ****ing times do we have to go through this?

Brady did not lead his team to comeback victories in all of his championships.

What in the ****ing ****. Where did all of these myths originate?

Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl MVP because he rallied his team back against Tom Brady in the AFCCG down 18 and then controlled the entire game (and rallied back from 10 down against the Bears) in the Super Bowl. 39 minutes T.O.P. against an elite defense.

Good ****.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Brock

How come it is you don't see the very glaring and obvious differences in the relative offensive skill players these two have had to work with over the span of their careers?

because great QB's make everyone around them better

it's why Decker went from ELITE to A NOTHING in 1 year

Brady has made all of his players around him better, and so has Manning.

What bullshit rhetoric.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Brock

How come it is you don't see the very glaring and obvious differences in the relative offensive skill players these two have had to work with over the span of their careers?

This - ALL DAY LONG. It's so obvious, it's not even seriously debatable.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog

Because the knock on Manning all throughout his college career was he could never win the big one. He proved everyone right for almost a decade and finally won a super bowl ironically enough it was his defense that carried him to that championship.

Brady lead his team from comeback victories in all of his championships.


Seriously man you are over thinking this.

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No he didn't. In fact, he didn't do it in any of them.