Poop Andy Reid's football team - Page 4

Eleazar · 06-23-2017, 08:01 AM

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

Rasputin · 06-24-2017, 04:17 AM

Dorsey set the foundation for the Chiefs to build a winning franchise and set us up for a bright future. It's a shame he got let go and no matter how it's spun losing Dorsey is a blow to the Chiefs organization as OP reminds us this is Andy Reids team and he had to sign off on Patrick Mahomes II so he is invested in the kid and will do right to develop him into what we can hope to be an elite quarterback that can make us championship caliber.

I don't really trust Andy Reid I just don't have any other option because he is going be our coach with his extension like it or not. I just hope things work out and our next GM can build upon from the foundation Dorsey has set.

Red Dawg · 06-24-2017, 04:42 AM

The future is Mahomes for certain. If he's a stud we can compete for the title and if he isn't it's back the drawing board.

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2017, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

The future is Mahomes for certain. If he's a stud we can compete for the title and if he isn't it's back the drawing board.

First off, the option of either competing for the title or going back to the drawing board is not exactly the paradigm of certainty.

But even assuming the best case scenario on his part, that's not set in stone. He can be a stud and we could still be the Lions or the Chargers.

Nickhead · 06-24-2017, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

First off, the option of either competing for the title or going back to the drawing board is not exactly the paradigm of certainty.

But even assuming the best case scenario on his part, that's not set in stone. He can be a stud and we could still be the Lions or the Chargers.

you are such a debbie ****ing downer, can't you at least give the masses one flawed reality

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2017, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead

you are such a debbie ****ing downer, can't you at least give the masses one flawed reality

What's that? I was distracted icing my hairy beanbag.

Marcellus · 06-24-2017, 05:41 AM

How any times do you guys have to read this before it registers?

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piecing together conversations with people in and out of the organization, plus some prior knowledge, here is what I know to be true:

▪ Reid, who was in charge of personnel toward the end in Philadelphia, will not do the same here.

▪ Reid was told about Dorsey, but not asked to approve or give input on the decision.

▪ The Chiefs’ structure of the coach, general manager, and team president reporting equally to Hunt will not change. Hunt will conduct the interviews and hire Dorsey’s replacement.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html

BigCatDaddy · 06-24-2017, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

How any times do you guys have to read this before it registers?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html

I don't buy it.

Marcellus · 06-24-2017, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I don't buy it.

Yea right, no reason to believe they guy who has covered the team for years and has the actual inside sources.

Better to just go with what you want to believe because you are mad.

BigCatDaddy · 06-24-2017, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yea right, no reason to believe they guy who has covered the team for years and has the actual inside sources.

Better to just go with what you want to believe because you are mad.

Yeah... Im sure Reid is cool with whatever guy Clark brings in. You are smarter than that.

Marcellus · 06-24-2017, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yeah... Im sure Reid is cool with whatever guy Clark brings in. You are smarter than that.

Its called trust. Why would Reid not trust Hunt on that?

And your statement has nothing to do with what I posted anyway. I am sure Clark may ask for Reid's input but the ultimate decision is Clark's, he wants the GM to report to him. There is a very specific reason for this.

BigCatDaddy · 06-24-2017, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its called trust. Why would Reid not trust Hunt on that?

And your statement has nothing to do with what I posted anyway. I am sure Clark may ask for Reid's input but the ultimate decision is Clark's, he wants the GM to report to him. There is a very specific reason for this.

Clark "Hey Andy, letting go of your hand picked GM Dorsey today"
Andy " Sounds good, Clark. I can't wait to mee the next guy you hire. Have a good day, buddy"

**Baby Lee** · 06-24-2017, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Clark "Hey Andy, letting go of your hand picked GM Dorsey today"
Andy " Sounds good, Clark. I can't wait to mee the next guy you hire. Have a good day, buddy"

'next GM up'

amirite!!

**J Diddy** · 06-24-2017, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Clark "Hey Andy, letting go of your hand picked GM Dorsey today"
Andy " Sounds good, Clark. I can't wait to get a guy who has all these candy wrappers off this durned floor. Have a good day, buddy"

FYP

Rasputin · 06-24-2017, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

'next GM up'

amirite!!

That's the way it's gonna have to be the thing is the GM doesn't have to put on the pads and a helmet but he is vital to the organization success.

The thing that really gets my goat is that it took fans Sea of Black and a banner to get the attention of Clark that things were not ok and that change had to be made. Well this time things are or were going good on the up and up for this organization and this regime gave the fans hope much needed hope and drafting a quarterback of the future is the biggest thing for 40 years to happen and John Dorsey deserves credit if the kid has what it takes he believed it to be.

Still one man cannot or should not be responsible for the success or failure of a franchise so the next "GM up" is going have to work with Andy Reid and be on board with the Chairman of the Board Clark Hunt.

chiefzilla1501 · 06-24-2017, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not only did D. screw up the salary cap he put us at a severe disadvantage against our two biggest rivals within the division.

We had to watch the Donks outbid us on Sanders and put together a team of Allstars on defense, paying Manning a huge paycheck and still having plenty of room under the cap. They used the cap to buy a Championship.

The Faders just handed out the largest contract in NFL to a guy that has never won a playoff game, they have been outbidding everyone on marginal talent and are still in great cap shape to pull a Denver the next few years and load up for a run to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile under Dorsey..
The Chiefs did not even have enough money to sign their rookies to contracts.

That is a HUGE disadvantage and worthy of being terminated just for these reasons alone.

Dorsey let Poe walk without even giving him a contract to sniff at and then overpaid for Logan, who most on here agreed was not worth that kind of money. Did not even try to renegotiate the albatross contract signed by Maclin and did the chicken shit thing of leaving a message to tell him to hit the bricks.

Dorsey did not really address the middle linebacker position besides bringing in a couple of guys we could not afford. The secondary still has big question marks especially with a brittle guy like Gaines expected to contribute. Dorsey also passed up on many great players in the draft that could have helped this year but chose mostly dark horses that he squandered multiple late picks on.

When you add up the all the missteps in big contracts, Dorsey looks pretty inept at running a football team. Even signing the Canadian Doctor to a mega contract brought howls of displeasure on here. It could end up a bargain in the long run, but burns up valuable cap space that could have been used to plug glaring holes in the defense.

Dorsey will always be remembered fondly for finding diamonds in the scrap heap, he has a great nose for undeveloped talent and churning the bottom ten or so of the roster. But it is the top of the roster and managing the cap wisely as proven by the Pats and Donks in recent history- that wins Championships. In that area he failed miserably.

I would rather have a gm who knows talent but can't manage the cap than a gm who can't bring in talent but manages the cap well. That is basically Scott Pioli.

If Dorsey was fired for cap reasons, **** that. Hire a better cap manager that puts his feet to the fire. Sure it bothers me but considering how many elite draft picks he's hauled in at the price of peanuts, that more than makes up for a few million over spent on a veteran

06-23-2017, 08:01 AM
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Andy Reid's football team One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself. The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid. To me this is never going to work. CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM? So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything? Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future? Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith? I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges. This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.
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06-24-2017, 04:17 AM	#46
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3475421	Dorsey set the foundation for the Chiefs to build a winning franchise and set us up for a bright future. It's a shame he got let go and no matter how it's spun losing Dorsey is a blow to the Chiefs organization as OP reminds us this is Andy Reids team and he had to sign off on Patrick Mahomes II so he is invested in the kid and will do right to develop him into what we can hope to be an elite quarterback that can make us championship caliber. I don't really trust Andy Reid I just don't have any other option because he is going be our coach with his extension like it or not. I just hope things work out and our next GM can build upon from the foundation Dorsey has set.
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06-24-2017, 04:42 AM	#47
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4752858	The future is Mahomes for certain. If he's a stud we can compete for the title and if he isn't it's back the drawing board. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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