Chiefs defense this year. What do you expect?

[petegz28]

The first year and a half of Romeo seemed we sat back in a lot of coverage. I am not saying we didn't blitz but it appeared anyway we didn't do it a whole lot relying on Hali to be the man. Last year the NE game we started blitzing like crazy, at least compared to what is seemed we did before. Particularly DJ seemed to start coming up the middle a lot more.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by milkman

And you don't beat the previously unbeaten and virtually unstoppable Packers if you don't have the talent to compete.

The biggest difference isn't the talent on the field when it comes to competing this year.

It's the preparation, as I already explained to your dumb ass.

But the period at the end of this sentence is the last keystroke I'm wasting on your useless dumb ass.

You keep clicking those heels together Dorothy- You'll get back to Kansas someday

Explain to me one more time how the signing of Standford Routt has taken a average team to now a SB contender next year

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by milkman

OK.

For this season, I think there are just too many good teams and tough games for the Cheifs to win more than 7 games and win the division.

I think with the way the defense evolved over the course of the season last year, and with Charles and Hillis on offense, this team will be able to play tough and stay in games.

But there are going to be more than a couple of games that we lose late, because we have Cassel, and our opponents don't.

That's my fear actually. I'm hoping we get a few lucky bounces that go our way but I think about your exact post a lot and totally could and probably will see it go that way because of shitcan Cassel.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Chronic

You keep clicking those heels together Dorothy- You'll get back to Kansas someday

Explain to me one more time how the signing of Standford Routt has taken a average team to now a SB contender next year

Wow. Are you aware of the offseason (arguably one of the best in the NFL) that we just had? Or did you not pay attention to anything this offseason because you had like 2 picks in the draft and were in cap hell? Nevermind I'll stop feeding.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by milkman

The biggest difference isn't the talent on the field when it comes to competing this year.

It's the preparation,

Perhaps you're unaware of this... but...

Brian Daboll is the new OC for the Chiefs

Strong resume bro

In 2009 as OC forthe Browns they finished DEAD LAST, not 31st or even 30th.. but 32 offensively

In 2010 the Browns finished 29th in the NFL in offense

After being nuthooked by the Browns he goes on to OC the Dolphins finishing the year ranked 22nd.. worse than the prior year before he arrived.. The Dolphins seen enough of him they sh*t canned him after just one year

Strong resume Milkman

Is that the "preparations" of the football team you were speaking about or did I miss something?

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by Chronic

You keep clicking those heels together Dorothy- You'll get back to Kansas someday

Explain to me one more time how the signing of Standford Routt has taken a average team to now a SB contender next year

Keep arguing against points that no one is making.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Wow. Are you aware of the offseason (arguably one of the best in the NFL)

Wow, congrats- you signed a decent #2 CB that takes alot of penalties because he gets beat

Eric Winston? He's a RT fer cripes sake...

I think one thing you're overlooking is the retirement of Casey Weigman

The Chiefs plan on playing a guard at Center thats NEVER had any experience taking a snap in the NFL

That combined with Daboll as OC

Yeah.. good luck there

Man do you know what DT's are gonna do to Rodney Hudson?

I do agree with the staff that his best position is Center because he's not big enough to play guard in the NFL.. he'll be able to move in more space as a center so it was the right call

He might very well develop nicely into a center.. but he wont do it in one year.... if he played center in college maybe.. it's gonna take him 2-3 years before he fully grasps that position

On the other hand- He's raw, inexperienced and never played center in the NFL nor college..

Asking him to read out defenses etc with no prior experince?

Yeah- good luck with that

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chronic

Wow, congrats- you signed a decent #2 CB that takes alot of penalties because he gets beat

Eric Winston? He's a RT fer cripes sake...

I think one thing you're overlooking is the retirement of Casey Weigman

The Chiefs plan on playing a guard at Center thats NEVER had any experience taking a snap in the NFL

That combined with Daboll as OC

Yeah.. good luck there

Man do you know what DT's are gonna do to Rodney Hudson?

I do agree with the staff that his best position is Center because he's not big enough to play guard in the NFL.. he'll be able to move in more space as a center so it was the right call

He might very well develop nicely into a center.. but he wont do it in one year.... if he played center in college maybe.. it's gonna take him 2-3 years before he fully grasps that position

On the other hand- He's raw, inexperienced and never played center in the NFL nor college..

Asking him to read out defenses etc with no prior experince?

Yeah- good luck with that

There's a difference between being "raw" and "inexperienced," dumbass.

Hudson is inexperienced, but he's far from raw. Not even close.

The book is not yet written on Hudson, but any football fan with a modicum of intelligence would look at the guy and see a very successful starting center in the NFL one of these days.

I'm FAR more worried about what pro bowl DTs are going to do to Ryan Lilja than I am worried about how Hudson will fare against them.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by SNR

There's a difference between being "raw" and "inexperienced," dumbass.

Got damn you're dumb

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chronic

Got damn you're dumb

Example:

Andrew Luck is an inexperienced QB. He is not a raw QB.

Tyler Thigpen is an experienced QB. He IS, however, a raw QB.

See? Even a reerun like you can understand this comically simple concept.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by SNR

Example:

Andrew Luck is an inexperienced QB. He is not a raw QB.

Tyler Thigpen is an experienced QB. He IS, however, a raw QB.

See? Even a reerun like you can understand this comically simple concept.

They both played QB before ya dummah

Raw means something that's "unprocessed" or "NOT FINISHED"

Inexperienced means being "new" to something or lacking knowledge of something or not "experienced" in something

Sorta like you... You're inexperienced in reading in that you don't understand what certain words mean

Hudson is "Raw" because he's not a finish project yet at the Center position, he's unprocessed and he's in the embryo stage of his center career

Hudson is also Inexperienced" because he's "new" to the Center position

Hudson is both Raw and Inexperienced

We on the same page here Sparkles?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Chronic

I wasnt directing the 12-13 win prediction your way, but saying..



And they didnt

You don't get blown out 2 weeks in a row by 43 and 48 points and put up just 10 points with the same team you think has the talent to compete with any team in the NFL this year

The math doesn't add up

You didnt make that much of an improvement that would convince me a betting man to lay my coin on the Chiefs anytime soon

Building a playoff caliber team is a non-linear process. You can have 9 players on either side of the ball who are performing at a high level, and if the opposition spies where the 1-2 weak spots are, the WHOLE platoon can end up looking like dogshit.

Teams don't progress from 2-4-8-12 wins over the seasons to build a SB caliber squad. They also don't exhibit linear progression of smaller and smaller margins of loss or larger and larger margins of victory. Much more often, they go from puzzling and disheartening yo-yos of close losses and blowout losses to regular wins when everything 'clicks.'

The closest analogy I've come to over the years is tuning an automobile engine. You have the timing 3-5 degrees out of whack or the fuel mix 3-5% off and even a supercar engine will perform like a 4-banger out of a Yugo or Festiva. But when you dial everything in, power can come on like gangbusters with just the finest of tweaks.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Chronic

They both played QB before ya dummah

Raw means something that's "unprocessed" or "NOT FINISHED"

Inexperienced means being "new" to something or lacking knowledge of something or not "experienced" in something

Sorta like you... You're inexperienced in reading in that you don't understand what certain words mean

Hudson is "Raw" because he's not a finish project yet at the Center position, he's unprocessed and he's in the embryo stage of his center career

Hudson is also Inexperienced" because he's "new" to the Center position

Hudson is both Raw and Inexperienced

We on the same page here Sparkles?

By definition, you are correct.

However, this isn't Merriam-Webster.

This is football. SNR is correct, IMO.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Building a playoff caliber team is a non-linear process. You can have 9 players on either side of the ball who are performing at a high level, and if the opposition spies where the 1-2 weak spots are, the WHOLE platoon can end up looking like dogshit.

+1.. I agree.. well put

Teams don't progress from 2-4-8-12 wins over the seasons to build a SB caliber squad. They also don't exhibit linear progression of smaller and smaller margins of loss or larger and larger margins of victory. Much more often, they go from puzzling and disheartening yo-yos of close losses and blowout losses to regular wins when everything 'clicks.'

I'd agree again... But if you look closely, you'll see a direct correlation between playoff experience couple with playoff wins and teams that make the SB

It's rare and it's happened, but when you go back and look at all the teams that have played in the SB or the conference championship games, you'll see teams that have prior experience in the playoffs.. i.e the Bucs of 2003.. The Raiders, before they won the AFC and went to the Super Bowl, they were in the playoffs a few times before winning games etc...


If the Chiefs made the playoffs the last 2 years and won a couple games in the playoffs then you can make a strong case they have a "team that can compete" with most NFL teams

It's a long process- it's a lot of work, 2-3 years of playoff appearances, disspointment in getting to 1 game of the AFCG etc.. I been there.. I know..

I'm not saying the Chiefs cant shock people and do the unthinkable and make a strong push.. what I'm telling you is... that it's very unlikely

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Chronic

I'm not saying the Chiefs cant shock people and do the unthinkable and make a strong push.. what I'm telling you is... that it's very unlikely

We may agree here, but IMO I'm agreeing 90% because our QB is Cassel.

I'm not a 'top flight QB, whatever the cost, is the ONLY road to the SB' guy. I think long timers here would attest to that. But that's at far remove from our present situation, where the skill of our starting QB is so much lower than the remainder of the team. I'd submit that the balance of our talent is such that a properly prepared QB as low on the the totem at present as even a Brunell or McNabb could constitute a legit contender, let alone moving up to a Vick or Cutler level of totem-ity.

That's how much I think the QB is holding us back.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

We may agree here, but IMO I'm agreeing 90% because our QB is Cassel.

I'm not a 'top flight QB, whatever the cost, is the ONLY road to the SB' guy. I think long timers here would attest to that. But that's at far remove from our present situation, where the skill of our starting QB is so much lower than the remainder of the team. I'd submit that the balance of our talent is such that a properly prepared QB as low on the the totem at present as even a Brunell or McNabb could constitute a legit contender, let alone moving up to a Vick or Cutler level of totem-ity.


That's how much I think the QB is holding us back.

I agree there, but that can be said about a lot of teams

Cassell doesn't play defense- and last year the Chiefs gave up 43 points and 48 points in back to back games

That's not one of those.. "Everything just didn't go right this game" excuse.. this was two games back to back

37 points the Jets scored, 36 the Pats put on the board and even the Dolphins put up 30+ points

Brandon Flowers just got worked in both games.. and I mean worked

The Lions OL just abused the Chiefs DL

To the Chiefs credit- they did seem to tighten things up towards the end of the season but how much of that was the poor offensive talent with the teams they faced?

When the Chiefs faced top offenses, they struggled

Had a good game vs Green Bay, give them credit there.. but they gotta start putting back to back good defensive games to be considered a team that can "compete with any team in the NFL"