Derrick Johnson Is Not Derrick Thomas...

[Tombstone RJ]

...but I have a feeling King Carl and Gunther took Derrick II to bring back the leadership that Thomas provided the chefs when the chefs actually played defense.

Sorry to bum you all out, but Derrick Johnson is not gonna stop teams from running all over the chef's defense.

The chef's have made some nice moves to improve their defense (hell, any moves at all would be nice) but the chefs still have a mediocre to bad defensive line. Hicks, Simms, Jelly, Browning, Allen & company are not going to stop the run any better than they did last year. Khari Long is a mystery right now, so I won't comment on him.

Bell is a good LB, if he can stay healthy, and that is a big if. So, the chefs will probably start DJ at LOLB, Bell at MLB and Barber at ROLB, which is respectable, IF Bell stays healthy and Johnson makes the transition to the speed and power of the NFL without losing a step. LB depth is a problem with the chefs. Grigsby will help provide depth, but he is an ILB. To me, this says that the chef's are still concerned about Bell's health.

Surtain will certainly improve the chefs secondary, but he is the only change that will immediately make an impact. Hodge will provide depth for the chefs, and that's nice. If Hodge steps in immediately, its more a reflection of how crappy the chefs secondary is, rather than how good Hodge is.

Congrats on taking Derrick the Second. Too bad he's gonna get run over by Mike Anderson.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by frazod

You can shove your inane analysis and backhanded compliments. Perhaps you should worry about your own fucked up team and the worst draft in recent memory.

C'mon Fraz stop pussyfooting around. How do you really feel?

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

I'm probably a bigger moron than you think, after all, I'm trying to talk football here and its not going very well...

And THIS thread is supposed to stir up SERIOUS football discussion, after many of us are exhausted from it as a result of the last 48 hours....

Okay. I'll try.

The Broncos draft isn't as bad as some here seem to think; they get a couple of first day picks next year for tradin' out of their first rounder this year, they get three CBs (of which one should pan out; and you may have found your Dante Hall); I think Clarette CAN succeed in Denver. Not bad. But nothin' that's gonna help you a lot next year.

The Chiefs: added a three-time All-Pro CB, a Defensive Rookie of the year at LB, the best College LB in the nation....and the best punter in college football. Each addresses a screamin' need, that will improve the Chiefs. Is DJ the next DT....doubtful; but I think he's gonna be a great player in his own right....he's more Donnie Edwards, than DT.

So, your analysis is pure trollish bullshit.

If you wanna talk FB, fine; if you wanna troll, go back to the Mange....or is it still crashed?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefell

I thought you guys weren't living in the past? Which is it? I'd hope that you could keep a somewhat consistent argument.

You brought up the past and conveniently selected a sample of years where your team had five more wins. I could do that too (early 90s). Instead, I simply expanded the sample to include the entire history, which is more than fair.

[Hercules Rockefell]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Wow, "we are the best of the worst" is your only response? I had been led to believe that denver fans had better smack than that. I guess Shanny is drafting fans today too?

Wouldn't really call it bad smack, I'd was pointing out that for as bad as you'd like to think the Broncos have been since Elway retired, they're still better than what your franchise has put on the field.

[crossbow]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Clarrett is an enigma right now. He could be great, he could be a bumb. We'll just have to wait and see.

An enigma is a mystery or puzzle. There isn't much to figure out with this guy. He has already shown his ass to the world. He is a loser. As far as DJ goes...Lets talk about that when Plummer tries a bootleg to his side.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

"Increase noise at Invesco" was one of their offseason goals.

This is not smack...the place is quiet.

I was AMAZED when I went last September.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefell

Wouldn't really call it bad smack, I'd was pointing out that for as bad as you'd like to think the Broncos have been since Elway retired, they're still better than what your franchise has put on the field.

Yup, 5 games better, or rather 4 games and a mulligan. Hardly a position of superiority you were attempting to claim with your poor analysis.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

Like I said. DJ was the BEST player on that defense.

And he's going to have alot of talent helping him in KC thanks to our fantastic offseason. RIGHT GUYS? *raises beer mug*

The question is, can he shed blocks in the NFL? KC's dline doesn't provide him with alot of help up front.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefell

I know, these past few seasons haven't been up to Bronco fan expectations. But we also know that since Elway retired, the Broncos still have the best record out of all the AFCW teams. So our shit seaons are still better than our rivals.

and to save you some research time:

Broncos: 54-42
Raiders: 50-46
Chiefs: 49-47
Chargers: 38-42

And yet you have nothing to show for it. even more embarassing is how you can be ranked top ten in o and d, yet can only eek into the playoffs to get slaughtered every time. Shanny deserves an Oscar for best Animation.

funny you find comfort in being the polished turd of the division.

[Hercules Rockefell]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

You brought up the past and conveniently selected a sample of years where your team had five more wins. I simply expanded the sample to include the entire history.

Ummmm genius, the post was in response to a post about Denver's QBs since Elway has left. I didn't conveniently select the time period, it was selected for me. A little reading comprehension goes a long way.

[ChiefsCountry]

I honestly think Denver has replaced the Raiders as our major rival. Same for those jackasses.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

The question is, can he shed blocks in the NFL? KC's dline doesn't provide him with alot of help up front.

KC's D-line was good enough to help Kawika Mitchell and Quinton Caver do a decent job in run defense. Imagine how Kendrell Bell and Derrick Johnson will do?

The Chiefs get better linebackers but their run D is supposed to suffer. Right.

[KCWolfman]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I honestly think Denver has replaced the Raiders as our major rival. Same for those jackasses.

Maybe for the noveau. Personally, I think of them more as pests than rivals. The raiders will always be the most hated in my book. The broncos fans were more like trailer trash that won the lottery and wasted their money over a couple of years only to end back in the trailer lot on the flooded end.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefell

Ummmm genius, the post was in response to a post about Denver's QBs since Elway has left. I didn't conveniently select the time period, it was selected for me. A little reading comprehension goes a long way.

It's still bullshit. What does it prove? Nothing. The Chiefs were replacing an entire coaching staff and rebuilding a roster two years after Elway left.

[Hercules Rockefell]

Originally Posted by KCWolfman

Yup, 5 games better, or rather 4 games and a mulligan. Hardly a position of superiority you were attempting to claim with your poor analysis.

Superiority? No, Denver doesn't have any room to claim it with no playoff wins in 6 seasons. But the fact that you guys love to talk shit about Denver sans Elway, I find it funny that they've still got the best record among the division in that time period.