Chiefs The Clarks Love Money More than Vets - Page 6

**gblowfish** · 05-08-2015, 08:30 AM

Apologies if posted before, and maybe this ought to be in the DC section.

Washington Post reports that the Federal Military has paid millions to the NFL to "salute" veterans. The Clarks took $250,000. So much for the NFL saluting soldiers out of the goodness of their hearts.

The Chiefs don't need the money. They should send that cash back to the military to buy body armor for active service guys, so we wouldn't have so many "wounded warriors" to salute. This whole thing makes me more cynical than I already am, if that's even possible.

Just salute veterans because its the right thing to do, and pick up the goddamn check. They put their lives on the line for us, it's the least a tax-exempt, multi-billion dollar enterprise like the NFL can do.

I didn't get a harrrump outta that guy......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss=rss_sports

During timeouts at home games, the New York Jets air a Hometown Heroes segment in which a U.S. soldier or two are shown on the Jumbotron and everyone thanks them for their service. The soldiers and three friends get seats in the Coaches Club. It’s a nice salute.

It’s also funded by U.S. taxpayers.

According to Christopher Baxter and Jonathan D. Salant of New Jersey Advance Media, the Department of Defense paid 14 NFL teams $5.4 million from 2011 to 2014 for salutes like the Hometown Heroes segment and other advertising at professional football games. All but $100,000 of that money came from the National Guard.

U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called the spending wasteful and disingenuous, Baxter and Salant report:

“Those of us go to sporting events and see them honoring the heroes,” Flake said in an interview. “You get a good feeling in your heart. Then to find out they’re doing it because they’re compensated for it, it leaves you underwhelmed. It seems a little unseemly.” …

“They realize the public believes they’re doing it as a public service or a sense of patriotism,” Flake said. “It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.”

Flake added that he has no problem with the National Guard spending money on recruitment advertising at football games. “The problem, he said, was spending taxpayer money on a program that, on its face, appeared to be a generous gesture by a football team,” Baxter and Salant write.

The story goes on to detail what the National Guard gets in return for its spending:

Aside from the Hometown Heroes segment, the agreements also included advertising and marketing services, including a kickoff video message from the Guard, digital advertising on stadium screens, online advertising and meeting space for a meeting or events.

Also, soldiers attended the annual kickoff lunch in New York City to meet and take pictures with the players for promotional use, and the Jets allowed soldiers to participate in a charity event in which coaches and players build or rebuild a playground or park.

The Jets also provided game access passes.

A National Guard spokesman said the agreement with the Jets helps promote and increase “the public’s understanding and appreciation of military service in the New Jersey Army National Guard increases the propensity for service in our ranks and garners public support for our Hometown Team.” A Jets spokesman says the team works with the National Guard just as it works with any other sponsor to tailor in-game advertising.

According to the report, the Colts and Ravens are among the other teams that have similar agreements with the National Guard.

arrwheader · 05-08-2015, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I always feel kinda sheepish when being singled out in any way. I'm also not one to blateny ask for that attention.

However, I do use USAA insurance and have A VA loan on my house. When applying for certain things that have veteran discounts I'm happy to save a little coin. I do not go to the restaurants on Veterans Day, I don't like standing up in a stadium or other public event, it feels like it's advertisement.

That being said, I also would like to keep the rights I signed up for 20 years ago and many of those are deteriorating because of the public figures who feel much like virus. I don't want to get into what all I've done or saw, but I sure as hell wasnt doing it for the money. I did use the GI bill and I had walked away from a family business where I could've made a shitload more. There were and are many like me in the service. One of the biggest names is Tillman. You want to tell his family he died for institutionalism?

Cynicism is one thing, but dont be dicks here on this subject, just to be dicks.

I'm anti war too, most all service members are, even the infantry guys, saying shit like they're ready is mental training.

Well said. No Vet should EVER feel bad about using thier benefits. However I agree I do not go to the restuaruants or do anything to demand special treatment, thats not what its about.

I am anti war as well. I played my part but looking back on my 21 year old self, on a gunners turret in Iraq, I thought very differently back then. I didnt fear consequences as much as I do now.The fear of death wasn't as apparent. I mean sure I though about it but "it wasnt goign to happen to me." Looking back on that wow I was a brave person, or stupid probably both!

That being said I can't support 20 year old somethings getting killed over a war in which we can't win. I was young and looking for adventure and was extreamly patriotic. I assume a lot of kids that join now, do it for the same reasons. You get older and realize things and you change. I am proud of my service but I can't say i would do it all again now.

arrwheader · 05-08-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rocknrolla

I'm a Marine from the Desert shield era, no one in my unit was injured or fatalities. Granted it is a far cry from what soldiers are going through today, for what? In most places it is not for our freedom. I don't ever bring it up unless someone asks. I wont even use the VA, yes I served, yet the VA is such a cluster f***, I'm not going to make wounded vet or these older vets wait any longer than they already have to. I wish they would put that money into that broken system.

Yea it is a gaggle ****. I don't use it except once a year so I dont get the obama care penalty. I just graduated and got a good job so now I will have insurance through them.

Dont even get me stated man! Haha that shit drive sme crazy. I can't imagine being a injured vet and hearing how corrupt that system is, makes me angry.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-08-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

I very seriously doubt this.

What do ya know, a member from the original entitlement generation questioning the integrity of a younger man. No one saw that coming.

**gblowfish** · 05-08-2015, 02:49 PM

More stories are being posted on this today. Thought this list was interesting. Every single one of these teams should return the money, or give it to a charity that helps veterans and their families:

Here's a full list of NFL teams that have received taxpayer money from the military for similar arrangements, based on government records obtained by NJ.com:

1. Atlanta Falcons - $1.05 million
2. Baltimore Ravens - $884,500
3. Buffalo Bills - $679,000
4. Indianapolis Colts - $620,000
5. Minnesota Vikinigs - $605,000
6. Green Bay Packers - $600,000
7. New York Jets - $377,500
8. Kansas City Chiefs - $250,000
9,. Cincinnati Bengals - $138,960
10. Dallas Cowboys - $62,500
11. St. Louis Rams - $60,000
12. Pittsburgh Steelers - $36,000
13. Cleveland Browns - $22,500
14. Miami Dolphins - $20,000

http://www.wcvb.com/news/nfl-teams-p...tment/32891650

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-08-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

If you serve in the military for 20+ years you shouldn't have to pay taxes ever again.

Agreed!

ThaVirus · 05-08-2015, 02:57 PM

What kind of taxes are we talking here? Income? State? Property? Sales? All of them?

**TimBone** · 05-08-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

More stories are being posted on this today. Thought this list was interesting. Every single one of these teams should return the money, or give it to a charity that helps veterans and their families:

Here's a full list of NFL teams that have received taxpayer money from the military for similar arrangements, based on government records obtained by NJ.com:

1. Atlanta Falcons - $1.05 million
2. Baltimore Ravens - $884,500
3. Buffalo Bills - $679,000
4. Indianapolis Colts - $620,000
5. Minnesota Vikinigs - $605,000
6. Green Bay Packers - $600,000
7. New York Jets - $377,500
8. Kansas City Chiefs - $250,000
9,. Cincinnati Bengals - $138,960
10. Dallas Cowboys - $62,500
11. St. Louis Rams - $60,000
12. Pittsburgh Steelers - $36,000
13. Cleveland Browns - $22,500
14. Miami Dolphins - $20,000

http://www.wcvb.com/news/nfl-teams-p...tment/32891650

We made a top ten list!

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**notorious** · 05-09-2015, 07:52 AM

You have to be an AIDS-infested piece of shit to hate on our people in the military.

They are doing a job that most of us don't want, so I don't give a shit what their reasons for being in the military are.

InChiefsHeaven · 05-09-2015, 08:18 AM

It does seem like sometimes there are flyovers at arrowhead that are not military, like this guy (who is obviously not a Chiefs fan):

http://www.pilotbill.com/Q4%2013/KC%...ight_Index.htm

But it is usually a military flyover. I wonder how much they pay the Chiefs to do that? Seems like the guys in the link got some special treatment (watch the game from the sidelines etc) and I bet the pilots for the military flyovers do as well, but...

**J Diddy** · 05-09-2015, 11:10 AM

You do realize that the problem doesn't exist with the NFL they're simply just taking the money? The problem exists with the Federal Military who budgeted that money for support the troops campaigns. If the NFL doesn't take it they will spend it elsewhere on a support the troop campaign.

I do realize that it seems a little dishonest in the way it's portrayed, like the Chiefs are doing it all for them, but let's be real here.

Chiefshrink · 05-09-2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

No soldier in my lifetime has ever fought a war for my "freedom"..

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-09-2015, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Diddy

You do realize that the problem doesn't exist with the NFL they're simply just taking the money? The problem exists with the Federal Military who budgeted that money for support the troops campaigns. If the NFL doesn't take it they will spend it elsewhere on a support the troop campaign.

I do realize that it seems a little dishonest in the way it's portrayed, like the Chiefs are doing it all for them, but let's be real here.

It's a recruitment tool, plain and simple.

It beats the hell out of a draft...

**Mav** · 05-09-2015, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

I very seriously doubt this.

Nah. I believe him. He would die quickly.

**Mav** · 05-09-2015, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Don't mind him. He's stupid.

ThaVirus · 05-09-2015, 12:47 PM

Well if it isn't the Browns, 49ers, Chiefs, Giants, Royals, Celtics, Grizzlies fan with the premium porn pass...

05-08-2015, 08:30 AM
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17666178 VARSITY	The Clarks Love Money More than Vets Apologies if posted before, and maybe this ought to be in the DC section. Washington Post reports that the Federal Military has paid millions to the NFL to "salute" veterans. The Clarks took $250,000. So much for the NFL saluting soldiers out of the goodness of their hearts. The Chiefs don't need the money. They should send that cash back to the military to buy body armor for active service guys, so we wouldn't have so many "wounded warriors" to salute. This whole thing makes me more cynical than I already am, if that's even possible. Just salute veterans because its the right thing to do, and pick up the goddamn check. They put their lives on the line for us, it's the least a tax-exempt, multi-billion dollar enterprise like the NFL can do. I didn't get a harrrump outta that guy...... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss=rss_sports During timeouts at home games, the New York Jets air a Hometown Heroes segment in which a U.S. soldier or two are shown on the Jumbotron and everyone thanks them for their service. The soldiers and three friends get seats in the Coaches Club. It’s a nice salute. It’s also funded by U.S. taxpayers. According to Christopher Baxter and Jonathan D. Salant of New Jersey Advance Media, the Department of Defense paid 14 NFL teams $5.4 million from 2011 to 2014 for salutes like the Hometown Heroes segment and other advertising at professional football games. All but $100,000 of that money came from the National Guard. U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called the spending wasteful and disingenuous, Baxter and Salant report: “Those of us go to sporting events and see them honoring the heroes,” Flake said in an interview. “You get a good feeling in your heart. Then to find out they’re doing it because they’re compensated for it, it leaves you underwhelmed. It seems a little unseemly.” … “They realize the public believes they’re doing it as a public service or a sense of patriotism,” Flake said. “It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.” Flake added that he has no problem with the National Guard spending money on recruitment advertising at football games. “The problem, he said, was spending taxpayer money on a program that, on its face, appeared to be a generous gesture by a football team,” Baxter and Salant write. The story goes on to detail what the National Guard gets in return for its spending: Aside from the Hometown Heroes segment, the agreements also included advertising and marketing services, including a kickoff video message from the Guard, digital advertising on stadium screens, online advertising and meeting space for a meeting or events. Also, soldiers attended the annual kickoff lunch in New York City to meet and take pictures with the players for promotional use, and the Jets allowed soldiers to participate in a charity event in which coaches and players build or rebuild a playground or park. The Jets also provided game access passes. A National Guard spokesman said the agreement with the Jets helps promote and increase “the public’s understanding and appreciation of military service in the New Jersey Army National Guard increases the propensity for service in our ranks and garners public support for our Hometown Team.” A Jets spokesman says the team works with the National Guard just as it works with any other sponsor to tailor in-game advertising. According to the report, the Colts and Ravens are among the other teams that have similar agreements with the National Guard.
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17666178 VARSITY	More stories are being posted on this today. Thought this list was interesting. Every single one of these teams should return the money, or give it to a charity that helps veterans and their families: Here's a full list of NFL teams that have received taxpayer money from the military for similar arrangements, based on government records obtained by NJ.com: 1. Atlanta Falcons - $1.05 million 2. Baltimore Ravens - $884,500 3. Buffalo Bills - $679,000 4. Indianapolis Colts - $620,000 5. Minnesota Vikinigs - $605,000 6. Green Bay Packers - $600,000 7. New York Jets - $377,500 8. Kansas City Chiefs - $250,000 9,. Cincinnati Bengals - $138,960 10. Dallas Cowboys - $62,500 11. St. Louis Rams - $60,000 12. Pittsburgh Steelers - $36,000 13. Cleveland Browns - $22,500 14. Miami Dolphins - $20,000 http://www.wcvb.com/news/nfl-teams-p...tment/32891650
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