Chiefs The Clarks Love Money More than Vets - Page 13

**gblowfish** · 05-08-2015, 08:30 AM

Apologies if posted before, and maybe this ought to be in the DC section.

Washington Post reports that the Federal Military has paid millions to the NFL to "salute" veterans. The Clarks took $250,000. So much for the NFL saluting soldiers out of the goodness of their hearts.

The Chiefs don't need the money. They should send that cash back to the military to buy body armor for active service guys, so we wouldn't have so many "wounded warriors" to salute. This whole thing makes me more cynical than I already am, if that's even possible.

Just salute veterans because its the right thing to do, and pick up the goddamn check. They put their lives on the line for us, it's the least a tax-exempt, multi-billion dollar enterprise like the NFL can do.

I didn't get a harrrump outta that guy......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss=rss_sports

During timeouts at home games, the New York Jets air a Hometown Heroes segment in which a U.S. soldier or two are shown on the Jumbotron and everyone thanks them for their service. The soldiers and three friends get seats in the Coaches Club. It’s a nice salute.

It’s also funded by U.S. taxpayers.

According to Christopher Baxter and Jonathan D. Salant of New Jersey Advance Media, the Department of Defense paid 14 NFL teams $5.4 million from 2011 to 2014 for salutes like the Hometown Heroes segment and other advertising at professional football games. All but $100,000 of that money came from the National Guard.

U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called the spending wasteful and disingenuous, Baxter and Salant report:

“Those of us go to sporting events and see them honoring the heroes,” Flake said in an interview. “You get a good feeling in your heart. Then to find out they’re doing it because they’re compensated for it, it leaves you underwhelmed. It seems a little unseemly.” …

“They realize the public believes they’re doing it as a public service or a sense of patriotism,” Flake said. “It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.”

Flake added that he has no problem with the National Guard spending money on recruitment advertising at football games. “The problem, he said, was spending taxpayer money on a program that, on its face, appeared to be a generous gesture by a football team,” Baxter and Salant write.

The story goes on to detail what the National Guard gets in return for its spending:

Aside from the Hometown Heroes segment, the agreements also included advertising and marketing services, including a kickoff video message from the Guard, digital advertising on stadium screens, online advertising and meeting space for a meeting or events.

Also, soldiers attended the annual kickoff lunch in New York City to meet and take pictures with the players for promotional use, and the Jets allowed soldiers to participate in a charity event in which coaches and players build or rebuild a playground or park.

The Jets also provided game access passes.

A National Guard spokesman said the agreement with the Jets helps promote and increase “the public’s understanding and appreciation of military service in the New Jersey Army National Guard increases the propensity for service in our ranks and garners public support for our Hometown Team.” A Jets spokesman says the team works with the National Guard just as it works with any other sponsor to tailor in-game advertising.

According to the report, the Colts and Ravens are among the other teams that have similar agreements with the National Guard.

**gblowfish** · 05-12-2015, 11:13 AM

Someone from the Chiefs called me today, to respond to an email I sent them over the weekend asking about this whole money for saluting vets question. She told me to read Terez Paylor's KC Star posting about the subject, and said the Chiefs were adamant that they did not get paid to salute vets. The story is below:

The Chiefs are among 14 NFL teams who received a share of millions in taxpayer money from the U.S. Department of Defense for military advertising during 2011-14, according to federal contract records.

In 2011, the Chiefs were paid $125,000 for an agreement with the Missouri National Guard, which received advertising on the team’s website, recruiting booths at Arrowhead Stadium and sponsorship for a Dec. 18 game against the Green Bay Packers.

The New York Jets also received money from the National Guard in exchange for advertising, as well as an on-screen tribute to soldiers called “Hometown Heroes,” an arrangement that was criticized by U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican. The Department of Defense and New Jersey Guard paid the Jets $377,000 from 2011-14 for the salutes and other advertising, according to NJ.com.

Arizona’s other U.S. Senator, Republican John McCain, released a report on government waste last week that questioned why the National Guard spent $49.1 million for professional sports sponsorships in 2014, including deals with teams such as the Jets that looked like a military tribute but were advertisements.

The Chiefs, however, said in a statement that their agreement with the Missouri National Guard was about advertising and not tributes to service members. A request for comment from the Guard was not returned.

“The Kansas City Chiefs had a partnership with the Missouri National Guard in 2011,” the team’s statement said. “The agreement was for one year and was strictly for promotional and advertising elements.”

The National Guard paid NFL teams $5.6 million in 2013 and 2014, according to the Los Angeles Times, and this year it is paying $4.1 million for sporting event advertising, including $1.2 million to NFL teams. The Chiefs’ agreement with the Missouri Guard was only for 2011.

The Chiefs’ game-day sponsorships, according to the team, can include digital, web and video-board advertising. These companies can request an on-field component, but the Chiefs say they do not charge their partners for that.

During the Chiefs game vs. Green Bay in 2011, the National Guard presented its high school football coach of the year awards to Blue Valley’s Eric Driskell and Pembroke Hill’s Sam Knopik on the field.

That ceremony and the guard’s sponsorship of the game was unrelated to the Chiefs’ own efforts to recognize the military.

“None of those elements were related to our annual Military Appreciation Day. The Chiefs have and will proudly continue to show our support for all branches of the armed forces through a number of different initiatives,” the team’s statement said.

The Chiefs’ Military Appreciation Day, held during a November home game, features a pregame celebration with more than 100 individuals representing all branches of the military, who hold a field-sized American flag during the National Anthem.

The Chiefs held five military outreach events last year and two this year. One was a visit to the airmen and airwomen at Whiteman Air Force Base last November by general manager John Dorsey and Chiefs legends Bobby Bell, Len Dawson and Will Shields during the NFL’s “Salute to Service” month.

Most recently, the Chiefs’ tight ends visited Douglas MacArthur Middle School in Leavenworth on April 21 as part of the NFL’s “Play 60” campaign and signed autographs for Fort Leavenworth soldiers and their families.

Major League Baseball is contacting its teams about relationships with the military, Pat Courtney, chief communications officer for MLB, told the Los Angeles Times. A search of a government database that contained the Guard’s contracts with pro sports teams revealed no such arrangements with the Royals during 2011-15.

“So far we have not found any club who is receiving payments from the armed forces in exchange for an in-game military salute,” he said.

Star news services contributed to this report

To reach Terez A. Paylor, call 816-234-4489 or send email to tpaylor@kcstar.com. Follow him on Twitter: @TerezPaylor.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy

crazycoffey · 05-12-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

?

The same as everyone else's.

I doubt it, go ahead though, share yours. I'm trying to understand how you think any entire race has been disenfranchised over the last 40-50 years. Let alone today.

ThaVirus · 05-12-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I doubt it, go ahead though, share yours. I'm trying to understand how you think any entire race has been disenfranchised over the last 40-50 years. Let alone today.

Share what? I speak the English language, bro. You can't just use words and make up your own definition for them.

Go to Google and type in "disenfranchise definition". Tell me that all three of them don't apply to black Americans prior to 1964..

The latter two still apply in many areas today.

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How did this become a black/white/slavery thing?

Sometime shortly after the latest 'loose change' flare-up.

ThaVirus · 05-12-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Sometime shortly after the latest 'loose change' flare-up.

It's the natural progression. White privilege is next.

Stick around!

Nickel D · 05-12-2015, 04:06 PM

"You want me at that game, you need me at that game!"

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickel D

"You want me at that game, you need me at that game!"

Did you call for the red pants!!

You're damned right I did!!

crazycoffey · 05-12-2015, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Share what? I speak the English language, bro. You can't just use words and make up your own definition for them.

Go to Google and type in "disenfranchise definition". Tell me that all three of them don't apply to black Americans prior to 1964..

The latter two still apply in many areas today.

So wih the goalposts now moved, we agree disenfranchised is a poor word for black lives in America for the last 40-50 years. And certainly not applicable to anything black Americans are subjected to today.

ThaVirus · 05-12-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

So wih the goalposts now moved, we agree disenfranchised is a poor word for black lives in America for the last 40-50 years. And certainly not applicable to anything black Americans are subjected to today.

I want you to know I'm trying my best not to call you stupid right now

**J Diddy** · 05-12-2015, 04:55 PM

What the **** happened in here?

-King- · 05-12-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I want you to know I'm trying my best not to call you stupid right now

Dude, black people were subjected to slavery and Jim crow laws for only 450 years. They should have got over it by now. I mean 40-50 years should be more than enough time yo recover from that. And plus racism doesn't exist in today's world.
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stevieray · 05-12-2015, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

What the ****?

For what its worth, the civil war was about stopping the CSA from seceding more than it was about slavery.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union…"
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can't name one ,huh?

...and why did they want to secede? And what happened after the war? Do you even know who started Memorial Day? Blacks.

...since you want to parse a personal letter to Horace Greeley, why don't you quote the last line of said letter?

..people of color have been kicking ass since the Revolutionary War. If you are ignorant of that, do some research.

Wentworth Cheswell, among many others, have accomplished more than you and I ever will, combined.

People of color don't "own" slavery anymore than they do curly hair.

**Baby Lee** · 05-12-2015, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

Dude, black people were subjected to slavery and Jim crow laws for only 450 years. They should have got over it by now. I mean 40-50 years should be more than enough time yo recover from that. And plus racism doesn't exist in today's world.
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Got a general idea how much more sulking time you need?

crazycoffey · 05-12-2015, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

Dude, black people were subjected to slavery and Jim crow laws for only 450 years. They should have got over it by now. I mean 40-50 years should be more than enough time yo recover from that. And plus racism doesn't exist in today's world.
Posted via Mobile Device

Did not realize you and virus were 400 years old. Yes I'm sure that has been a hard life. But we are, as a society, so much improved. What do you have to get over? And the term used was disenfranchised. Taking all rights away from a race, that most certainly does not describe anything any race is experiencing in America in our lifespan. If you think here's a racial problem that is taking away any of your rights, might I suggest you fix your own attitude first.

**TimBone** · 05-12-2015, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Share what? I speak the English language, bro. You can't just use words and make up your own definition for them.

Go to Google and type in "disenfranchise definition". Tell me that all three of them don't apply to black Americans prior to 1964..

The latter two still apply in many areas today.

Just earlier in this thread you were not concerned with things that happened prior to your lifetime.

05-08-2015, 08:30 AM
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17666178 VARSITY	The Clarks Love Money More than Vets Apologies if posted before, and maybe this ought to be in the DC section. Washington Post reports that the Federal Military has paid millions to the NFL to "salute" veterans. The Clarks took $250,000. So much for the NFL saluting soldiers out of the goodness of their hearts. The Chiefs don't need the money. They should send that cash back to the military to buy body armor for active service guys, so we wouldn't have so many "wounded warriors" to salute. This whole thing makes me more cynical than I already am, if that's even possible. Just salute veterans because its the right thing to do, and pick up the goddamn check. They put their lives on the line for us, it's the least a tax-exempt, multi-billion dollar enterprise like the NFL can do. I didn't get a harrrump outta that guy...... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss=rss_sports During timeouts at home games, the New York Jets air a Hometown Heroes segment in which a U.S. soldier or two are shown on the Jumbotron and everyone thanks them for their service. The soldiers and three friends get seats in the Coaches Club. It’s a nice salute. It’s also funded by U.S. taxpayers. According to Christopher Baxter and Jonathan D. Salant of New Jersey Advance Media, the Department of Defense paid 14 NFL teams $5.4 million from 2011 to 2014 for salutes like the Hometown Heroes segment and other advertising at professional football games. All but $100,000 of that money came from the National Guard. U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) called the spending wasteful and disingenuous, Baxter and Salant report: “Those of us go to sporting events and see them honoring the heroes,” Flake said in an interview. “You get a good feeling in your heart. Then to find out they’re doing it because they’re compensated for it, it leaves you underwhelmed. It seems a little unseemly.” … “They realize the public believes they’re doing it as a public service or a sense of patriotism,” Flake said. “It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.” Flake added that he has no problem with the National Guard spending money on recruitment advertising at football games. “The problem, he said, was spending taxpayer money on a program that, on its face, appeared to be a generous gesture by a football team,” Baxter and Salant write. The story goes on to detail what the National Guard gets in return for its spending: Aside from the Hometown Heroes segment, the agreements also included advertising and marketing services, including a kickoff video message from the Guard, digital advertising on stadium screens, online advertising and meeting space for a meeting or events. Also, soldiers attended the annual kickoff lunch in New York City to meet and take pictures with the players for promotional use, and the Jets allowed soldiers to participate in a charity event in which coaches and players build or rebuild a playground or park. The Jets also provided game access passes. A National Guard spokesman said the agreement with the Jets helps promote and increase “the public’s understanding and appreciation of military service in the New Jersey Army National Guard increases the propensity for service in our ranks and garners public support for our Hometown Team.” A Jets spokesman says the team works with the National Guard just as it works with any other sponsor to tailor in-game advertising. According to the report, the Colts and Ravens are among the other teams that have similar agreements with the National Guard.
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17666178 VARSITY	Someone from the Chiefs called me today, to respond to an email I sent them over the weekend asking about this whole money for saluting vets question. She told me to read Terez Paylor's KC Star posting about the subject, and said the Chiefs were adamant that they did not get paid to salute vets. The story is below: The Chiefs are among 14 NFL teams who received a share of millions in taxpayer money from the U.S. Department of Defense for military advertising during 2011-14, according to federal contract records. In 2011, the Chiefs were paid $125,000 for an agreement with the Missouri National Guard, which received advertising on the team’s website, recruiting booths at Arrowhead Stadium and sponsorship for a Dec. 18 game against the Green Bay Packers. The New York Jets also received money from the National Guard in exchange for advertising, as well as an on-screen tribute to soldiers called “Hometown Heroes,” an arrangement that was criticized by U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican. The Department of Defense and New Jersey Guard paid the Jets $377,000 from 2011-14 for the salutes and other advertising, according to NJ.com. Arizona’s other U.S. Senator, Republican John McCain, released a report on government waste last week that questioned why the National Guard spent $49.1 million for professional sports sponsorships in 2014, including deals with teams such as the Jets that looked like a military tribute but were advertisements. The Chiefs, however, said in a statement that their agreement with the Missouri National Guard was about advertising and not tributes to service members. A request for comment from the Guard was not returned. “The Kansas City Chiefs had a partnership with the Missouri National Guard in 2011,” the team’s statement said. “The agreement was for one year and was strictly for promotional and advertising elements.” The National Guard paid NFL teams $5.6 million in 2013 and 2014, according to the Los Angeles Times, and this year it is paying $4.1 million for sporting event advertising, including $1.2 million to NFL teams. The Chiefs’ agreement with the Missouri Guard was only for 2011. The Chiefs’ game-day sponsorships, according to the team, can include digital, web and video-board advertising. These companies can request an on-field component, but the Chiefs say they do not charge their partners for that. During the Chiefs game vs. Green Bay in 2011, the National Guard presented its high school football coach of the year awards to Blue Valley’s Eric Driskell and Pembroke Hill’s Sam Knopik on the field. That ceremony and the guard’s sponsorship of the game was unrelated to the Chiefs’ own efforts to recognize the military. “None of those elements were related to our annual Military Appreciation Day. The Chiefs have and will proudly continue to show our support for all branches of the armed forces through a number of different initiatives,” the team’s statement said. The Chiefs’ Military Appreciation Day, held during a November home game, features a pregame celebration with more than 100 individuals representing all branches of the military, who hold a field-sized American flag during the National Anthem. The Chiefs held five military outreach events last year and two this year. One was a visit to the airmen and airwomen at Whiteman Air Force Base last November by general manager John Dorsey and Chiefs legends Bobby Bell, Len Dawson and Will Shields during the NFL’s “Salute to Service” month. Most recently, the Chiefs’ tight ends visited Douglas MacArthur Middle School in Leavenworth on April 21 as part of the NFL’s “Play 60” campaign and signed autographs for Fort Leavenworth soldiers and their families. Major League Baseball is contacting its teams about relationships with the military, Pat Courtney, chief communications officer for MLB, told the Los Angeles Times. A search of a government database that contained the Guard’s contracts with pro sports teams revealed no such arrangements with the Royals during 2011-15. “So far we have not found any club who is receiving payments from the armed forces in exchange for an in-game military salute,” he said. Star news services contributed to this report To reach Terez A. Paylor, call 816-234-4489 or send email to tpaylor@kcstar.com. Follow him on Twitter: @TerezPaylor. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy
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