Andy Reid's football team

[Eleazar]

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

This issue is specific to the Chiefs because we rely so much on elite playmakers on the D. If we had the offense picking up the slack then Berry wouldn't be so overvalued. Belichick can afford to ship players to the Browns and still keep winning because he has an elite QB.

And because he routinely out-coaches other teams.

Belichick isn't a detriment to his team on Sundays.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by gold_and_red

This issue is specific to the Chiefs because we rely so much on elite playmakers on the D. If we had the offense picking up the slack then Berry wouldn't be so overvalued. Belichick can afford to ship players to the Browns and still keep winning because he has an elite QB.

Berry has ALWAYS been over valued in KC..when he was out with cancer the defense actually put up better numbers.

He became the cancer survivor poster boy for the NFL...which increased his emotional value through marketing. KC just got 6 national games. Hunt wanted him a happy Chief...and its his team.

He played great last season so not taking anything away from that...but it was a contract year.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at running a team.

It's not Dorsey's job to be best buds with the players...dealing with money and pragmatic personnel decisions are the dirty part of it. Shit, the players in NE are kind of scared of Belichick and he's the frickin coach.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

All assumptions with no facts to support them.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at running a team.

It's not Dorsey's job to be best buds with the players...dealing with money and pragmatic personnel decisions are the dirty part of it. Shit, the players in NE are kind of scared of Belichick and he's the frickin coach.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

You're missing the entire point.

Clark Hunt and John Dorsey had a toxic relationship. Dorsey was allowed to run the football operations but Clark was clearly unhappy with the handling of Berry's contract, long term contracts given to Maclin and Bowe (among others that didn't pan out), the mishandling of the salary cap and the negative publicity surrounding Maclin's release.

The Chiefs not only lost Chris Ballard this year, they lost their College Scouting Director, Marvin Allen, to Buffalo, where he took a demotion. They chose to move on from Trip McCracken and Will Lewis, while David Culley took a QB Coach job in Buffalo after working with Reid continuously since 1999.

Obviously, whatever issues that caused Clark Hunt to move on from Dorsey didn't just start and end in the past week.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

And because he routinely out-coaches other teams.

Belichick isn't a detriment to his team on Sundays.

Right. Reid is obviously a detriment to his team, which is why the Chiefs are only 43-21 during his tenure, averaging 11 wins per season.

He's a saboteur.

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by splatbass

All assumptions with no facts to support them.

Belichick actually is fair to his players. Those who play in NE love him. Its his tone with the media that mostly gives him this reputation. But he hardly singles out a player for praise knowing that everyone has a role to play in a championship run unlike Reid who routinely puts Berry in the spotlight. I have had enough with the come as players, leave as family mantra. Time for real results!
If Mahomes turns out to be elite we will see a different culture IMHO that is much more consistent with true contenders where the QB leads the locker room.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

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Obviously, whatever issues that caused Clark Hunt to move on from Dorsey didn't just start and end in the past week.

That makes the timing of his release even worse. If Hunt had issues and Dorsey's tenure was in doubt, he should have moved on with Ballard months ago. It was said they did a top down review and they were in extension negotiations. Clark knew everything that was going on with Berry last season.

This is on Hunt...it had to be a knee-jerk. Sounds like amateur hour. Dorsey is still being payed for another year... just go away.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right. Reid is obviously a detriment to his team, which is why the Chiefs are only 43-21 during his tenure, averaging 11 wins per season.

He's a saboteur.

I certainly wouldn't call him a detriment but he has been his own worst enemy at times in his career which is a part of the reason he hasn't won the SB. Whether it be the SB against NE, a number of calls and management against NE a couple years ago, or some of the game plan against PIT, he doesn't always get out of his own way.

He could use a little more skill on self-assessing his own weaknesses.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would rather have a gm who knows talent but can't manage the cap than a gm who can't bring in talent but manages the cap well. That is basically Scott Pioli.

If Dorsey was fired for cap reasons, **** that. Hire a better cap manager that puts his feet to the fire. Sure it bothers me but considering how many elite draft picks he's hauled in at the price of peanuts, that more than makes up for a few million over spent on a veteran

Getting those elite draftees to their second contract is a big part of being GM. You're not going to be able to hang on to some of your talent if the cap is ****ed. You essentially become a minor league team.
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[WhiteWhale]

The way people were talking you'd think KC has 30 million dollars in dead cap money.

Look like it's just under 10 million, which isn't bad. It's not great, but this issue is being enormously over-stated.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

The way people were talking you'd think KC has 30 million dollars in dead cap money.

Look like it's just under 10 million, which isn't bad. It's not great, but this issue is being enormously over-stated.

They haven't signed their first round pick yet and they're $2 million over 2018's projected cap. There is significant Dead Money this year and next year from cutting Maclin. Cutting Howard hurt, too.

Now, I'm sure people will say they'll cut DJ, Hali, Bailey and Colquitt to create cap room, but they'll also need to replace those guys, which will cost money as well.

And of that $10 million remaining this year, they'll need $5 million in reserve for injuries and signings.

It's not good.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

The way people were talking you'd think KC has 30 million dollars in dead cap money.

Look like it's just under 10 million, which isn't bad. It's not great, but this issue is being enormously over-stated.

I think the biggest problem is next year when they, as of right now have 175 million in cap allocations for 2018 with just 52 contracts.

So next offseason is the biggest obstacle.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I certainly wouldn't call him a detriment but he has been his own worst enemy at times in his career which is a part of the reason he hasn't won the SB. Whether it be the SB against NE, a number of calls and management against NE a couple years ago, or some of the game plan against PIT, he doesn't always get out of his own way.

He could use a little more skill on self-assessing his own weaknesses.

He hasn't changed much during a near 20 year career as a head coach. The book on him from Philadelphia is all still true. Play calling is terrible, clock management is terrible, very slow to make in-game adjustments, routinely wastes time outs and challenges, often gives the other team possessions at the end of halves.

His system, when executed well and when turnovers are limited, is very good at beating bad and mediocre teams, and thus produces a lot of regular season wins because those are 2/3 of the teams you play in a given year.

In the postseason you don't play many mediocre teams, which is probably why he has a losing record in the postseason.

Once in a while a Brian Hoyer quarterbacked Texans team backs into the playoffs, but other than that, Reid doesn't win consistently in the postseason, despite often getting there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

He hasn't changed much during a near 20 year career as a head coach. The book on him from Philadelphia is all still true. Play calling is terrible, clock management is terrible, very slow to make in-game adjustments, routinely wastes time outs and challenges, often gives the other team possessions at the end of halves.

His system, when executed well and when turnovers are limited, is very good at beating bad and mediocre teams, and thus produces a lot of regular season wins because those are 2/3 of the teams you play in a given year.

In the postseason you don't play many mediocre teams, which is probably why he has a losing record in the postseason.

Once in a while a Brian Hoyer quarterbacked Texans team backs into the playoffs, but other than that, Reid doesn't win consistently in the postseason, despite often getting there.

He's a Hall of Fame coach.

You're a Hall of Fame dipshit.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Cochise

He hasn't changed much during a near 20 year career as a head coach. The book on him from Philadelphia is all still true. Play calling is terrible, clock management is terrible, very slow to make in-game adjustments, routinely wastes time outs and challenges, often gives the other team possessions at the end of halves.

His system, when executed well and when turnovers are limited, is very good at beating bad and mediocre teams, and thus produces a lot of regular season wins because those are 2/3 of the teams you play in a given year.

In the postseason you don't play many mediocre teams, which is probably why he has a losing record in the postseason.

Once in a while a Brian Hoyer quarterbacked Texans team backs into the playoffs, but other than that, Reid doesn't win consistently in the postseason, despite often getting there.

Most of this is true, but the thing with Andy, his players love him. He is the very definition of a Players Coach. He gets everything they have on game day. He has built a very solid team here in KC in all phases of the game.

Teams that come in here have to outperform us in at least 2 of the 3 to win. How many games have we seen the offense get dominated but the Defense and Special teams bail them out for wins? It must drive other teams crazy knowing they played better a majority of games only to lose from a pick 6, a punt return for a TD, or 6 freaking field goals. The Atlanta game was a prime example.

Despite his faults, Andy wins a lot of games. He gets a lead and grinds it out in the ugliest way possible. It is maddening sometimes, watching him shoot himself in the foot with game decision blunders, but he wins. With that said- it still takes an Elite QB for a team to win consistently in the Playoffs. Hopefully, Andy gets that now by drafting 2 PM.