Andy Reid's football team

[Eleazar]

One of the most disturbing aspects of yesterday's series of disturbing events, to me, is that we now have Reid effectively running the team himself.

The word is that they will hire a GM, but Reid is clearly above the GM - past and future - in the pecking order. When the line was drawn, Hunt chose Reid.

To me this is never going to work.

CHunt has created a scheme where the head coach reports directly to the owner which undermines the role of the GM, fundamentally. Reid seems to clearly have been chosen over Dorsey after the relationship deteriorated and now in the search for the GM itself, we can expect that Reid will be a primary decision maker in who is hired, which subjugates the GM even further. Will it do the team good to have a yes-man at GM?

So now, what is going to be the practical difference between Reid's power play and his position in Philadelphia where he controlled everything?

Are we happy that Reid will be without Dorsey's moderating influence in the future?

Does this mean that Reid wanted Mahomes but not Dorsey, and that was a factor in the split? Should it comfort us, with Reid's history of drafting, developing, and selecting free agent QBs, including his hand-picked incumbent starter, Alex Smith?

I think everyone's alarm should be up right now. The Hunt family has a history of being too loyal to guys who weren't good enough in the past, and now Reid has basically been given the keys to the franchise. A guy who can't effectively run three time outs and two challenges.

This didn't end well in Philadelphia and, barring Mahomes becoming elite and being able to turn this goat **** into gasoline, I don't think this is going to end well either.

[chiefzilla1501]

Something absurd to consider... In 4 drafts, every single first and second rounder is a legit starter. That is crazy good talent evaluation.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I would rather have a gm who knows talent but can't manage the cap than a gm who can't bring in talent but manages the cap well. That is basically Scott Pioli.

If Dorsey was fired for cap reasons, **** that. Hire a better cap manager that puts his feet to the fire. Sure it bothers me but considering how many elite draft picks he's hauled in at the price of peanuts, that more than makes up for a few million over spent on a veteran

There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

How any times do you guys have to read this before it registers?



http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html

I find it very hard to believe that Andy just sat back on his hands and ass and let Clark show Dorsey the exit. That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Something absurd to consider... In 4 drafts, every single first and second rounder is a legit starter. That is crazy good talent evaluation.

Better hope that Veach was taking notes.

Originally Posted by Messier

There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

As was pointed out, Dorsey was taking the old, cold, Belichick road in terms of dealing with personnel contracts instead of the Carl father figure/buddy-buddy way, and he was absolutely right in doing so.
Why should he care if these millionaires get hurt feelings? It's a ****ing business.
You can't get on a person's ass about cap management while simultaneously bitching that he isn't giving your franchise's dollars away FAST ENOUGH to keep the players happy.

This whole thing is total bullshit, and I can not WAIT until Dorsey gets his next job so that he can tell his side of the story without worrying about being blackballed.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Messier

There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

Terez stated that Maclins rep was told about the release before the voice mail was left when Dorsey tried to call him. Maclin is being a douche for a guy that will still get 4 mil for doing nothing. Just like he got 12 mil last year to do nothing.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Messier

There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

I find it very hard to believe that Andy just sat back on his hands and ass and let Clark show Dorsey the exit. That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

It only makes zero sense to you because

A. It conflicts with what you want to believe
B. You dont have a Goddamn clue what was going on at Arrowhead

Basically you are saying Reid fired Dorsey though Clark has told you elven million times that the coach and GM both report directly to him.

Its ****ing hilarious you guys cant see how simple it is that Clark and Dorsey didn't get along for some reason which would likely be differences in player contracts.

Its also fairly obvious most of you have never hired fired or managed people.

I am not glad Dorsey is gone but I have no reason to believe what actual people in the know are saying which is Andy didn't have anything to do with it and Andy isn't going to control personnel.

Those arent mind blowing concepts unless you just want to make shit up to fit your agenda and whine and complain.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

This doesn't even make sense.

[Marcellus]

It is pretty hilarious that when Maclin got cut this place went ape shit talking about how ridiculous it was, how shitty the contract was, why cut him yada yada yada.

Dorsey gets fired and suddenly he is bulletproof and has never made a mistake.

Maclin isn't WHY Dorsey got fired, Maclin is part of why Dorsey got fired.

If you believe what been reported about the Berry contract deal and Houston's contract etc...is not hard to connect the real dots here.

Dorsey is good at drafting and terrible at contracts. Its THAT simple.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

It is pretty hilarious that when Maclin got cut this place went ape shit talking about how ridiculous it was, how shitty the contract was, why cut him yada yada yada.

Dorsey gets fired and suddenly he is bulletproof and has never made a mistake.

Maclin isn't WHY Dorsey got fired, Maclin is part of why Dorsey got fired.

If you believe what been reported about the Berry contract deal and Houston's contract etc...is not hard to connect the real dots here.

Dorsey is good at drafting and terrible at contracts. Its THAT simple.

It's still Clarks fault. If this was a lingering problem then it should have been taken care of after the season.

Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances this late?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It's still Clarks fault. If this was a lingering problem then it should have been taken care of after the season.

Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances n

It's Clark's team and he can run it however he sees fit.

There are three possible outcomes:

1. Nothing changes and the Chiefs continue to win at a high clip, despite cap and Free Agency bungles
2. Talent evaluation slips and the Chiefs struggle
3. Talent evaluation and free agency signings improve and the Chiefs reach their goal

Whatever the case, Clark is still a "young" owner in this league and he, more than anyone else, will learn from this unprecedented decision.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances this late?

Shame Clark cant fire himself...losing Ballard then firing Dorsey is sucking at your job.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Shame Clark cant fire himself...losing Ballard then firing Dorsey is sucking at your job.

Or, he feels as if both of those guys can be replaced and put the organization in a better place.

People in all businesses are replaced daily due to personality conflicts, bad decision making or their treatment of others, whether they're VP's, Presidents, CFO's, CEO's, etc.

The bottom line is that Clark made the decision with the idea that the Chiefs will be better for it.

He certainly made the right decision in firing Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

Why are people on Chiefsplanet so absolutely certain that he made the wrong decision this time?

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He certainly made the right decision in firing Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

Why are people on Chiefsplanet so absolutely certain that he made the wrong decision this time?

Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at running a team.

It's not Dorsey's job to be best buds with the players...dealing with money and pragmatic personnel decisions are the dirty part of it. Shit, the players in NE are kind of scared of Belichick and he's the frickin coach.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

[gold_and_red]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at owning a team.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

This issue is specific to the Chiefs because we rely so much on elite playmakers on the D. If we had the offense picking up the slack then Berry wouldn't be so overvalued. Belichick can afford to ship players to the Browns and still keep winning because he has an elite QB.