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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 03-07-2017, 11:37 AM   #2536
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Slider is by far the most valuable pitch.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:49 AM   #2537
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Slider is by far the most valuable pitch.
Yup.

Pitch values always heavily favor breaking balls, especially the slider. Its why every year you see so many articles talking about second half improvements from pitchers that 'changed their pitch mix' and leaned heavily on the slider.

It's an outstanding short-term fix for a rocky season. But hitters will adjust to it and unless your slider truly is a monster, they'll start to sit on it.

A well thrown slider is the hardest pitch in baseball to hit. A hung one is probably the easiest. But the fastball still makes it all work. So even though pitch value tables don't give it due credit, the fastball is still the moneymaker in MLB.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:56 AM   #2538
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The Royals probably threw a 'local boy' draft pick at a kid named Kameron Misner out of Poplar Bluff in the 33rd round last year. He elected to pass and is playing at Mizzou instead.

I tell you, the bomb he hit into the wind on Sunday was a sight to behold. He absolutely crushed the damn thing into RF. Big kid with a bit of a long stroke but really pretty swing mechanics. The ball jumps off his bat.

I'm not sure he's any sort of real prospect; not terribly 'twitchy' from what I can see and I don't expect he'll play anything more than adequate defense in the OF, but he's going to be a fun college player, IMO. Nice, sound swing that generates a hell of a lot more power than I'd expected. Too many holes in it, but when he connects, it goes a loooooong way.

Unlikely to be a real 'miss' for the Royals but I'm glad we have him here in Columbia.
Speaking of, I wonder if Marquise Doherty would have done it all over again if given the chance (Royals to him in the 15th round in '14, I believe)......
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:00 PM   #2539
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Good.

Listening to Keitzman and Danny go on about how sloppy and out of shape Moose looks makes me want to root for him that much harder just to shove it in Keitzman's face.
He always looks like that.
His hitting hasn't been to good so far though...1 for 16, 1 walk. It's early though.
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:01 PM   #2540
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Speaking of, I wonder if Marquise Doherty would have done it all over again if given the chance (Royals to him in the 15th round in '14, I believe)......
Nah.

15th round pick isn't gonna get a huge offer. Usually the 'bonus baby' slots are at 11 and 12 in the new slotted system. Guys that fall into the mid-teens are sometimes taken for insurance purposes (in case they can't get one of those 11 or 12 round guys to take their money and they don't want to just lose it), but oftentimes it's just a flier for one of those cases where a kid really didn't want to go to college afterall.

I suspect he got a $50Kish offer but that's not enough to forego a chance to make yourself a premier prospect.
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:22 PM   #2541
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1. Slider 631
2. Cutter 66
3. Curve 26
4. Change -7
5. Fastball -708

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Now, if FB are all hitters can hit, and all they can hit for power, why throw them? Because it's awfully hard to stand 60' away from hitting something sized like a windbreaker in front of 30K people.


Also, FB sets up everything.
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:24 PM   #2542
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Nah.

15th round pick isn't gonna get a huge offer. Usually the 'bonus baby' slots are at 11 and 12 in the new slotted system. Guys that fall into the mid-teens are sometimes taken for insurance purposes (in case they can't get one of those 11 or 12 round guys to take their money and they don't want to just lose it), but oftentimes it's just a flier for one of those cases where a kid really didn't want to go to college afterall.

I suspect he got a $50Kish offer but that's not enough to forego a chance to make yourself a premier prospect.
True, he wouldn't have gotten life changing money, and I'm sure that was a big part of his decision not to sign. I asked that just thinking of how shit flamed out for him at Mizzou more than anything else...
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:57 PM   #2543
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Moose with a dong in the 1st inning.

Gordon in RF again. Wonder if that is going to be his place this season.
Ned said to expect this, but why run all these guys through reps at LF if that isn't going to be the 'rotation' position this year?
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:19 PM   #2544
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Moose with a dong in the 1st inning.

Gordon in RF again. Wonder if that is going to be his place this season.
Ned said to expect this, but why run all these guys through reps at LF if that isn't going to be the 'rotation' position this year?
They won't have to worry about him running into Moose if he's in RF.
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Good.

Listening to Keitzman and Danny go on about how sloppy and out of shape Moose looks makes me want to root for him that much harder just to shove it in Keitzman's face.
They were going on and on about this this afternoon--they were really unloading on him for being fat and out of shape. I guess I haven't really noticed in the short clips I've seen of him, but they were really brutal on him.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:37 AM   #2546
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Old 03-08-2017, 11:37 AM   #2549
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Career high 92.4 (last year no less)


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Wanna bet he's dragging his arm?

Gonna let his mechanics fall to hell and let it all hang out for one hurrah before his arm explodes. Anybody that just adds a couple MPH of velocity in a single off-season has almost certainly taken to scapula loading to find extra velocity and they will most-definitely break down in short order.

That or it's just a hot gun. If I'm a Royals fan and know we have another $9 million to pay the guy after this season, I think I'd just hope that he learns to get by at 92 because Soria at 95 means he's red-lining it and it won't end well for him.
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Nah, not a hot gun don't think. Jeff Zimmerman's report had 70 readings and they net fairly close to 0 (vis a vis their last known velo). Some are down, Greinke Lester Harvey iwakuma, but that's prob expected. Younger guys up.


Soria had 2 readings: 94.4 (3/2) and 94.8 (2/27). That's Wade Davis (94.9) velo. Crazy. Somethings up
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