3-4 might make this moot, but someone had an interesting post...

[Frankie]

...in the "other" Chiefs forum. This is a copy/paste of his post:

OK, Im gonna compare two players and to keep emotions out, Im gonna label them player A, and (you guessed it) player B

player A was the second overall choice in his respected draft.

He is 6´4" tall
270 pounds

in his first three years in the nfl, he racked up totals of:

18.5 sacks
188 total tackles
9 forced fumbles

broken down year by year as
rookie
2.5 sacks
53 tackles
1 forced fumble

soph
6.5 sacks
67 tackles
4 forced fumbles

third year
9.5 sacks
68 tackles
4 forced fumbles


Player B was drafted 20th overall in the first round

through his first three years in the league he ammased:

18.5 sacks
173 tackles
10 forced fumbles

broken down by year as:

rookie year
8 sacks
61 tackles
5 forced fumbles

sophmore
7.5 sacks
58 tackles
2 forced fumbles

third year
3 sacks
54 tackles
3 forced fumbles

So which, if either, was overdrafted or a better value? I will recap them again:

player A
6´4"
270
18.5 sacks
188 tackles
9 forced fumbles

player B
6´3"
275 pounds
18.5 sacks
173 tackles
10 forced fumbles
















Player A is Niel Smith
Player B is Tamba Hali

My point is, dont be so quick to judge a career of a defensive player on the first three years, as you might miss a gem!

[EyePod]

I would argue that Neil Smith showed improvement over those 3 years. That's the most important thing I saw. Tamba's ability (and stats in each of those categories) declined over those 3 years.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I would argue that Neil Smith showed improvement over those 3 years. That's the most important thing I saw. Tamba's ability (and stats in each of those categories) declined over those 3 years.

I would argue that the team around Neil got progressively better. The team around Tamba has gotten consistantly worse.

[Blindside58]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I would argue that Neil Smith showed improvement over those 3 years. That's the most important thing I saw. Tamba's ability (and stats in each of those categories) declined over those 3 years.

Jared Allen was on the other end Tamb's First 2 years and Neil Smith gained DT????
Interesting Stats!

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I would argue that Neil Smith showed improvement over those 3 years. That's the most important thing I saw. Tamba's ability (and stats in each of those categories) declined over those 3 years.

Tamba's ability "declined", in part, because he was asked to switch positions. He's a LDE, not a RDE.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Tamba's ability "declined", in part, because he was asked to switch positions. He's a LDE, not a RDE.

Look, I like Hali as much as the next guy, and I don't think he should get cut. But this year is do or die for him. If he doesn't improve significantly, then I think he should be cut loose. I know that our entire team declined (especially our inside 7), but they're all on tight leashes for now. That way, we can look for improvement and attribute the decline to Herm as opposed to the players.

[Buehler445]

Put up or shut up for Tamba.

Show us you have talent and were coached by go-tards. No more grass was tall bullshit. Just get to the mother****ing QB.
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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by EyePod

Look, I like Hali as much as the next guy, and I don't think he should get cut. But this year is do or die for him. If he doesn't improve significantly, then I think he should be cut loose. I know that our entire team declined (especially our inside 7), but they're all on tight leashes for now. That way, we can look for improvement and attribute the decline to Herm as opposed to the players.

I agree.

[PhillyChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Tamba's ability "declined", in part, because he was asked to switch positions. He's a LDE, not a RDE.

Agreed. He was never suppose to be placed in that role.

I don't think it is fair to judge Hali decline based on his performance in a position he was never suppose to play.

He was a stopgap, a plug to "replace" Allan, can't expect the same production.

[keg in kc]

Hali's biggest issue has been injuries; he's always hurt.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I would argue that the team around Neil got progressively better. The team around Tamba has gotten consistantly worse.

I would argue that Hali isn't very good. He is what we thought maxxed out effort guy

[JohnnyV13]

I was looking at Jason Taylor's first three years and found something interesting. Taylor had 5 sacks in 97, 9 sacks in 98 and then fell to 2.5 sacks in 99.

Taylor didn't really become a force in the league until 2000, when he had 14.5 sacks.

I guess it just means that giving up on tamba hali might be a bit premature.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I would argue that Hali isn't very good. He is what we thought maxxed out effort guy

On the other hand OUR players are always the worst until they sign with another team.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by EyePod

I would argue that Neil Smith showed improvement over those 3 years. That's the most important thing I saw. Tamba's ability (and stats in each of those categories) declined over those 3 years.

I was a big Neil Smith fan, but his best move, is now illegal and draws a flag. I very seriously doubt he would be as effective now.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I was a big Neil Smith fan, but his best move, is now illegal and draws a flag. I very seriously doubt he would be as effective now.

Very good point.