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Old 10-02-2014, 12:32 PM  
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So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more(as a receiving threat and not just a blocker)? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:25 PM   #91
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his upside is a #4 WR...he isn't fast, doesn't get separation...
More of this nonsense. NO, you are dead ****ing wrong on this. He isn't a BURNER but he is plenty "fast" and quick and gets open. If that wasn't the case, there would be no reason why I am wondering why we seem to only use him in one way. It would make sense, in reality it doesn't.

Go back and actually watch the tape and you will see that he is rarely asked to get open, the times he is... he does.
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:37 PM   #92
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Denver game

Pass Fasano - no Hemingway
Pass Kelce - no Hemingway
Pass Davis - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Pass to Hemingway overthrown.

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Old 10-02-2014, 04:42 PM   #93
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:43 PM   #94
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This is just Michigan fanboy homerism at it's finest...WRs like Hemingway are a dime a dozen in the NFL.
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:55 PM   #95
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Denver game

Pass Fasano - no Hemingway
Pass Kelce - no Hemingway
Pass Davis - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Incomplete Pass - no Hemingway
Pass to Hemingway overthrown.

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I have no dislike of Junior, but that pass would have to be perfect, due to lack of separation. Agree?
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:56 PM   #96
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1st half of 2nd qtr...

Run Davis - No Hemingway
Incomplete quick slant to Avery - Hemingway left
Smith scramble - H screened by his own man on drag route then doubled
Gray run - No H
Pass INC. - No H
Davis run - No H
Davis run - H split left
Pass to Davis - H open
Davis run - H motions to right
Davis run - No H

Ok, so as you can see, there isn't much evidence pointing to him not being able to get open.
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I will say with our QB no WR will ever reach their full potential...so there is that hope for Junior.
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I have no dislike of Junior, but that pass would have to be perfect, due to lack of separation. Agree?
No, it was WAY overthrown. Smith can make that pass and there is plenty of separation. (easier to see in real time)

When you have a full step on your coverage, and there is enough visible space that you could fit a lineman between you and the next guy... that is separation.

(just for reference, the ball is already in the air at that point, so Smith saw him as open)
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No, it was WAY overthrown. Smith can make that pass and there is plenty of separation. (easier to see in real time)

When you have a full step on your coverage, and there is enough visible space that you could fit a lineman between you and the next guy... that is separation.

(just for reference, the ball is already in the air at that point, so Smith saw him as open)
Fair enough. Difficult to see from the small image. (yes, even clicked)

Still didn't look like much separation, but okay.
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Old 10-02-2014, 05:06 PM   #100
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Offseason injuries have probably held him up more than anything. It's like he can't make it through a week of camp without something happening. And I think that's probably why he's not a bigger part of the picture. You just can't build a rapport with the quarterback in the training room, particularly if you're a guy purported to not be the quickest when it comes to picking up an offense (rumor, not sure if true...). until he finds a way to stay healthy it's likely going to stay that way. He's good on special teams, so he'll always have a spot on a roster somewhere.
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Offseason injuries have probably held him up more than anything. It's like he can't make it through a week of camp without something happening. And I think that's probably why he's not a bigger part of the picture. You just can't build a rapport with the quarterback in the training room, particularly if you're a guy purported to not be the quickest when it comes to picking up an offense (rumor, not sure if true...). until he finds a way to stay healthy it's likely going to stay that way. He's good on special teams, so he'll always have a spot on a roster somewhere.
That's as good a theory as any I have heard.

I am not here to say he is being wasted or bitching about things. I am am simply trying to understand why his production is what it is.

The play breakdowns are simply to show that the idea that he is somehow not getting open is ludicrous.
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Hemingway, another reason the Chiefs were stupid not to target a WR.
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He's already made more people miss after the catch than dexter did in his tenure, and that's with catching like 1/8th of the balls mccluster did.

Dexter was a good pair of hands and a decent possession wr out of the slot.

Hemingway is already that, plus he adds much more special teams wise.

He just doesn't have the production yet, but he really hasn't had the chance


McCluster caught 53 passes last year. Hemmingway is on pace for 16.

Clearly the better slot receiver.
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So, how does everyone feel about Junior so far this year?

I am disappointed with the amount of targets (9) and he has 1 drop (and it was a bad one) but the rest of his stats are decent. 9.8 yds per reception. 24 yards after catch. And all 4 of his catches have been for 1st downs.

The one thing that has been impressive has been his downfield blocking. Of our WRs he is head and shoulders beyond anyone in this category. I'd actually like to see a stat for yardage on runs/screens/swing passes to his side when he is on the field.

So any thoughts on why he isn't seeing the field more? I know Htismaqe will say it's because he has trouble learning the offense(any offense) and this may be true. I agree with this to an extent but I expected him to be able to pick it up by now.
If he didn't go to Michigan you wouldn't care, because he's not an NFL-caliber player. The guy is a poor player in a really bad receiving corps. There are probably 50 players on practice squads or 4th or 5th WRs who have a better skillset than Hemingway.
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If he didn't go to Michigan you wouldn't care, because he's not an NFL-caliber player. The guy is a poor player in a really bad receiving corps. There are probably 50 players on practice squads or 4th or 5th WRs who have a better skillset than Hemingway.
Hyperbole much?
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