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Old 09-17-2013, 06:02 PM   #1
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Brimstone was great. John Glover as the devil? Sign me up.
I actually found a site where you can watch pretty much any old show like that, but it's horrible quality. IIRC I found the link through the IMDb page.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #2
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We could probably have a long thread on good shows fox cancelled. After Firefly and Brimstone and Terminator: TSCC, I'll name Lone Star. Which probably none of you remember, since it only lasted two weeks.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:10 PM   #3
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We could probably have a long thread on good shows fox cancelled. After Firefly and Brimstone and Terminator: TSCC, I'll name Lone Star. Which probably none of you remember, since it only lasted two weeks.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:24 PM   #4
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:56 PM   #5
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Expected...no, wanted better writing. The Abby character sux, and Orlando Jones is being wasted as a characterization.. Kinda hoped the sherriff--Abby's partner (the 'Kurgan') was going to last longer. Seems like they're rushing it, and trying to turn this into a Buffy-type series.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:54 PM   #6
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This is the problem with pilots. The networks require them to get a setup of every character which forces writers to reveal too much in them. This is why what Kevin Spacey said a few weeks back regarding the subject of pilots and how they need to be dumped resonated so much. Take the leap on a show and go with it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:56 PM   #7
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This is the problem with pilots. The networks require them to get a setup of every character which forces writers to reveal too much in them. This is why what Kevin Spacey said a few weeks back regarding the subject of pilots and how they need to be dumped resonated so much. Take the leap on a show and go with it.
Networks spend about $250 million per year on pilots. Without them, the networks would be lost and have no clue what would work and what wouldn't.

And Kevin Spacey isn't a producer, nor does he run a network or studio.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:00 PM   #8
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Networks spend about $250 million per year on pilots. Without them, the networks would be lost and have no clue what would work and what wouldn't.

And Kevin Spacey isn't a producer, nor does he run a network or studio.
America **** yeah. That is insane. Yes, I'm being facetious.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:06 PM   #9
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America **** yeah. That is insane. Yes, I'm being facetious.
That's a combined number. But the cost of creating brand new program, from actors to sets to screenwriters, etc., is high.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:12 PM   #10
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That's a combined number. But the cost of creating brand new program, from actors to sets to screenwriters, etc., is high.
I know it is combined. It is still beyond ridiculous. I find it ludicrous the money that is spent in Hollywood. I suppose it is a double edged sword in that you have to scratch and claw to make it in that town and once you do, if you aren't stupid with your money, you are set for life.

I really do wish we could do away with pilots. Hell, even LOST didn't give away much in their pilot and it went 5 years. Was that one only truly picked up because Abrams was behind it?

Though I am not really that big into a lot of the cable dramas, I can see why people like them. More original than anything on network TV and not afraid to take risks with the show.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #11
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Networks spend about $250 million per year on pilots. Without them, the networks would be lost and have no clue what would work and what wouldn't.

And Kevin Spacey isn't a producer, nor does he run a network or studio.
Maybe it's time to break the paradigm? No one can deny that the cable networks and Netflix are kicking network TV butt when it comes to dramatic TV shows.
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:10 PM   #12
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Maybe it's time to break the paradigm? No one can deny that the cable networks and Netflix are kicking network TV butt when it comes to dramatic TV shows.
That doesn't mean they aren't making pilots.

Often times, when networks pass, premium channels decide to pick them up.

Also, premium channels get a large chunk of revenues from subscribers, so they don't need the HUGE numbers that networks need to stay alive.
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Networks spend about $250 million per year on pilots. Without them, the networks would be lost and have no clue what would work and what wouldn't.

And Kevin Spacey isn't a producer, nor does he run a network or studio.
Yeah, we just love how our entertainment prospects are decided by a corral of layabouts with clickers that focus group pilots into oblivion, giving the non-talented, non-creative $$-folk the backstop to note the talent to death, and then lock them on the sidelines with development deals for decades. Thanks.
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Yeah, we just love how our entertainment prospects are decided by a corral of layabouts with clickers that focus group pilots into oblivion, giving the non-talented, non-creative $$-folk the backstop to note the talent to death, and then lock them on the sidelines with development deals for decades. Thanks.
Oh, just shut the **** up.
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Wasn't Kevin Spacey heavily involved with Netflix's House of Cards? Maybe that has experience has something to do with his comments.
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