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How much have we improved on paper?
Well, the draft and free agency are in the rear view mirror and I think it's time to sit down and look where we have improved and where we might have taken a step back in terms of this roster going into 2016.
I'm gonna try to look at the guys we lost and how they were replaced as the "measuring stick". First off, let's start with RT. Out - Donald Stephenson left for an opportunity elsewhere and got paid handsomely in FA at 5m per. IMO the guy was trash outside of maybe a handful of games during his time in KC and I wouldn't have given him more than vet min. In - Mitchell Schwartz has graded out as one of the premier talents at RT in the NFL the last 2 seasons and has shown the ability to stalemate elite pass rushers like Von Miller. This is a HUGE upgrade and should help not only Alex Smith and the RBs, but his ability to work without a ton of help on the edge should help the playcalling utilize Travis Kelce even more in the passing game. Next position I'll look at is LG. Out - Losing Jeff Allen (our best OL last year, when healthy) hurts on paper...but the guy is injury prone and got double what anyone thought he would get in FA. 7m per is just stupid money. The guy solidified the OL when he was out there and helped open holes in the run game and was solid as a pass protector...again, when he was healthy. In - Parker Ehringer is the pick in this draft that got the most "huh?" "Who?" And "what?" Responses from fans, but the scouts seem to be in love with this kid similarly to how they felt about Morse last year...so I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt as the Morse pick was responded to with similar responses. The kid is versatile as having played both tackle spots and also guard. I'm excited to see him step into a situation where he has quality guys on either side of him and is able to use his nastiness to open holes and keep Alex clean. This is probably a downgrade, but the Morse selection makes me put this as a "wait and see" Next up is DE Out - Mike Devito - I was a fan of Devito from the moment we signed him because he's a lunch pail player and was a solid defender, but was also missing a lot of time to injuries at that point of his career and didn't offer much in terms of a pass rush. In - Chris Jones - a prospect that has been labeled by advanced stat sites as "the steal of the draft" ....this kids tape is fun to watch when he's giving his all because it's like a video game with a cheat code enabled. It's very rare for a kid to face top level competition for BIGTIME schools and be flat out dominant. Jones can be seen literally throwing OL to the side on the way to the ball and is just a monster sized person. Very excited to see him in his second and third year (I kinda expect growing pains early on and for some fools to shout "bust" when he gets worked by NFL OL early on, but that's the nature of the beast). The kid was invited by the NFL to be one of the 25 draftees to be in the green room, so that shows what the league thinks of him and multiple scouts and evaluators have said he would have been a top 5 pick if he had stayed another year. I'm glad he didn't. Year 1, this is most likely a downgrade, but after that this should be a sizable upgrade as the sky is the limit for this kid. Now, let's move on to CB Out - Sean Smith was one of my favorite Chiefs and seemed to almost always be in position to break up a pass or to not even let his guy get off press. Huge corner with long arms and a solid tackler....but never took the next step in becoming a ball hawk that got INTs. Losing him is going to hurt. In - KeiVarae Russel is a freak athlete that went completely under the radar. Good ball skills, top notch performer. Sick measurables. He is going to be every bit the athlete as the guys he will face and is a big time competitor. He won't get beat deep easily (especially with our safeties) with his speed and is absolutely quick and explosive enough to stay with the quicker WRs he will surely face. With teams learning their lesson with testing Peters last year, I'm sure Russel will get lots of opportunities to prove himself at the NFL early and often. Another possible replacement for CB2 is Phillip Gaines, who when healthy is a phenomenal press guy with top notch ability to find the ball in the air. He's been very impressive when he's been on the field, let's hope he stays healthy. Another position that I'll place similarly to DE in that I see a dropoff in year 1, but the long term outlook is extremely exciting. In a year or 2, we might have the best CBs in the NFL...if not sooner. Next up is QB2 Out - Chase Daniel did his job well in KC and parlayed his time here into a 7m per deal in Philly. Alex has been healthy during his time in KC, so luckily we didn't need to use Daniel more....but with the offers he got in FA, teams know what's in his head. In - Kevin Hogan is a talker carbon copy of Daniel. Not the strongest arm, but a huge brain and great mobility. He's Alex Skith "lite". Probably never becomes a starting NFL QB, because of physical limitations, but won't lose games for us and if we miss Alex for a few games, Hogan can come in and not embarrass himself. Big time leader and a winner. Not exciting as it would have been to have drafted Paxton Lynxh, but a good fit for KC. I'm gonna go ahead and label this a "push" On to the safeties. Out - Hussain Abdullah and Tyvon Branch are going to be missed. No doubt both We're solid players for us that provided impact in important spots. Branch brought a physical presence to the deep secondary, good ball skills and playmaking ability and Abdullah was able to be the Jack of all trades for us....lining up as a corner in nickel, a deep safety in subs a box safety when needed to match up on a TE and was great in the locker room. They are going to be tough to replace. In - Dorsey signed 2 veterans to replace them that have shown the ability to be big time performers. Brown had a bunch of interceptions when he played on a talented defense and Wilson flashed ability as well, but not the production. Dorsey also moved Jamel Fleming to safety (I think was a solid move that I wanted KC to do with Bartee for years, but that's another thread) as Fleming seemed to do ok when the ball was in front of him and was a bit lost on deep routes and double moves...those aren't as likely to hurt him if he sticks at safety. The polarizing addition we made here was Eric Murray. I know people see him as a corner, but scouts were adamant that he would fit well as a safety. Very physical, good speed and instincts and is agile enough to handle the 2 way gos he's sure to see when he covers the slot. The kid didn't give up a TD last year in college and he faced some good players to earn that. I'd have to label this as a downgrade, but I'm excited to see how these guys perform down the stretch once they get their feet wet and start to step up more and more. On to KR/gadget Out - Davis is unhappy and DAT might not ever be the same player again...mentally he just seemed to not want to return and the team made a controversial pick to replace him. Davis is a good returner, but offers little else. Poor vision, doesn't break tackles and almost never gets to show off his field speed because of it. He's sofT and has probably played his last game in KC (a game he fumbled and tried to fumble twice against NE) ....when the guy has Ben given opportunities, he has literally fumbled them away every time. Time to move on from these guys. In - Tyreek Hill is best known for his off the field incident, but for the sake of this write up, I'm going to just talk about he player. World class speed and vision. Straight up. Watch some tape (YouTube videos) on this kid and he's very exciting in the open field and has the quicks to hit the breaks for a second to let guys go by and hit the gas again in a quarter second. Dave Taub said this kid has Devin Hester written all over him and the scouts said he's the best returner they've ever scouted. If the kid stays on the right path off the field, he will provide us with elite abilities as a returner and I'm sure Reid will find ways to utilize his world class speed in the framework of the quick hitting offense we run that requires speed to maximize YAC. Easily an upgrade and probably gives us the best return game in the NFL if the kid turns out to be what Taub thinks he can be. All in all, I see KC as having stayed the same, at worst...but have the potential to have these moves move this team from a possible division winner to a dark horse Super Bowl team. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...1#post12213651 |
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We're losing guys who contributed a shit ton in Sean Smith, Tyvon Branch, Jeff Allen, and Husain Abdullah. I'm not arguing that they were worth giving extended contracts- just that assuming we'll be totally fine without them is wishful thinking at its best. |
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If I could have any of the four back it'd be Sean Smith, easily. He allowed us to do so much more defensively with is coverage skills knowing he'll basically lock down his side of the field.
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Smith the is the only true question mark, IMO. The pressure is on Gaines, Nelson and Russell to be average. |
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05-04-2016, 11:03 AM | #96 | |
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Another thing to factor in is that the coaching staff wanted him at RT to start the year until he got injured and they never stopped having to shuffle the OL all year. Going from Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson to Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle is a MASSIVE upgrade in not only ability, but also availablity. Right now, our tackles and center are LOCKED DOWN with good, young players that can be long term starters. That only leaves the 2 guard spots open for competition. Reid - started at RT and RG last year Fulton - started 16 games at RG in 1014 LDT - started at RG last year Munyer - showed promise last ps/camp. Ehringer - drafted to presumably play LG Pughsley - showed promise last year in PS |
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As we saw last year, guys were shuffled all up and down the line and while that's far from ideal, it's important that these players are versatile, with the reason being the concussion protocol. Two starters in Morse and LDT missed games last year due concussions. Fulton notably stepped in and played as well as one could expect for a first time NFL starting center. Reid was more effective at right guard than right tackle while Stephenson was "meh" everywhere on the line, whether left tackle, right tackle or left guard. It's quite possible that one of the guard spots comes down to Reid, Pughsley and Ehinger, all of whom can play multiple spots on the line. That's extremely important, regardless of who wins the job coming out of camp. |
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They were all plus players who played a decent amount of the time. That's all I'm saying. |
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Allen got 7m per Branch got 5m per (even at his age and injury history) Abdullah retired My optimism comes from how high I am on Gaines, Russel, Schwartz and Murray. I think all 4 of those guys are going to provide more impact than most here think. |
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Branch and Abdullah combined for nearly 400 ST snaps, so that probably needs to be taken into consideration.
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I'm not saying that they weren't contributors but let's not make them out to be better than average role players, because they weren't. They just weren't awful. |
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Do you consider him a T for even one second? And Morse was able to succeed as a technician as well, but with his skills came genuinely athletic feet and very good functional strength; I see neither of these things in Ehringer. Ehringer's 'versatility' is being overrated. He's a G and a G with some particularly glaring holes in his game. And if Ehringer wins a roster spot in lieu of Pughsley, that 4th round pick was simply set on fire. Pughsley is actually versatile, IMO. Ehringer is simply theoretically versatile and I just don't see it. Honestly, I don't even see him as being an appreciably better bet than Munyer. I simply do not understand that pick at all.
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The Cardinals needed secondary help big time, especially with losing Matheiu. Personally, I think they overpaid and didn't care for the Jones trade but they're at a point were they're treading water at 11-5, similar to the Bengals each year, so they had to do something. I'll never, in a million years, understand how Jeff Allen, a guy who's started 9 out of the last 32 regular season games, was paid more than Mitchell Schwartz, the best right tackle in the league who's never missed a start. Mind bottling. |
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I simply stated that I believe that Pughsley and LDT might be the starters at guard. I am hoping with the development of Pughsley and Munyer, and the addition of Ehinger, that Fulton becomes expendable. Those guys, along with Reid, potentially give this O-Line some real credible depth and flexibility. On the other side, I am hoping that the additions there make Flemming expendable, since I don't trust him at either corner or safety.
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