Bosa rejects Chargers "best" offer

[staylor26]

Michael Gehlken
Michael Gehlken – ‏@sdutGehlken

Chargers proposed to Joey Bosa what they made clear is their best offer, source says. It was declined. Offer pulled. Two sides are nowhere.

[wazu]

Loving this. Hope Bosa becomes a cautionary tale.

[jjchieffan]

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

[Kiimo]

Exactly and now the Chargers are doubling down on their ridiculous stance and saying his contract is only going to get smaller because they're going to pro-rate it based on him missing games because of his holdout while simultaneously running a smear campaign.

Fellow Gentlemen of Chiefs Planet. Follow your hearts, deep down you know that the true enemy is the San Diego Chargers.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

Okay I'm done trying to explain this to people.

Greedy agents!

[-King-]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I really hope at this point that Bosa doesn't get signed. I hope that he re-enters next years draft and this situation knocks him completely out of the first round. See what kind of money he gets then! He will lose millions and he deserves it, The CBA set things up so that this wouldn't happen and it hasn't until now. He will be an example to all of these greedy agents not to play this game again.

Uh... People don't realize this is the Chargers fault?

There was no negotiation even needed. All they had to do was give him the same deal all other top 5 picks have gotten since the new CBA.

They're the ones refusing to follow the standard. Not Bosa.
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[dls6501]

Originally Posted by -King-

Uh... People don't realize this is the Chargers fault?

No they dont. Its crazy.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Okay I'm done trying to explain this to people.

Greedy agents!

NFL owners have it set. Theyre billionaires who can do anything and people will always claim the players are the greedy ones.
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[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

I think it says more about people not wanting to play for the Chargers. He rather just lose out on this, then play for them.

Say what you want about the kid. Maybe he is a douche, but this isnt the first time someone didnt want to play for the Chargers and pulled some shit like this. After this shit has happened a few times, it might not be the players, it might be the actual team.

That'd doesn't jive at all with his comments. This purely a contract thing.

His daddy was a bust.

His uncle was a bust.

He will be a bust and he's trying to get paid before everyone figures it out.

He wasn't an explosive player to begin with, on top of the fact that he'll now be playing 5-tech. His impact will be minimal. He won't put up big numbers.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's not accurate. It appears that the Chargers have increased their up front money substantially.

No, they've been unwilling to come off their offset language demands but that's team policy that they're unwilling to break for a rookie (in no small part because of the problem it would create with present roster players or potential future FAs).

I've not seen any indications that Bosa's come off his initial demands.

Now if you want to argue that he shouldn't come off his demands, that's one thing. But to argue that he's been willing to negotiate and the Chargers haven't is not supported by what we presently know.

How is it team policy when they've literally never been in tbis position before? They made that up this year, and now they're acting like they gave some long history of doing it.
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[Kiimo]

Whether Bosa will be a bust or not is kind of beside the point.

The true point is that the Chargers are the most poorly run organization in the NFL. They're refusing to adhere to the norm with their top pick and they have a history of doing this. They ran Weddle off for no reason. They fire coaches who go 14-2. They tried to MOVE THEIR TEAM AWAY and managed to fail and now they're trying to convince the people of San Diego to vote yes on giving them a bunch of free money to build a stadium downtown like two months after they tried to ditch them on the curb for a hotter girl up north.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

That'd doesn't jive at all with his comments. This purely a contract thing.

His daddy was a bust.

His uncle was a bust.

He will be a bust and he's trying to get paid before everyone figures it out.

He wasn't an explosive player to begin with, on top of the fact that he'll now be playing 5-tech. His impact will be minimal. He won't put up big numbers.

It's not his fault that he's trying to get wheat other top 5 picks got. Blame the Chargers for being so shitty that they ended up picking in the top 5. Blame them for drafting him. Blame them for not doing any research at all on if his CAA would require they upheld what has been standard on top 5 contracts.

If you want to get over on a player, maybe you should make sure that their agent doesn't know how contracts work before drafting him.
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[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Bosa's camp has said that they are willing to compromise for one or the other. The Chargers want to give neither.

No they haven't. That's been speculated. I follow this story every damn day, since it's what i hear on my local Sports radio. There's nothing you can teach me on the subject. I've heard it all ad nauseam.

As far your "every player in the top 5 since 2012 has negotiated for either or" is also not true, and it's also slightly skewed since both the Jags and Rams don't give a shit about deferred payments, unlike pretty much every other NFL team.

[Kiimo]

Also you're not getting shit over on CAA, they're easily the biggest, best and most powerful agency in Los Angeles. Their building looks like the goddam Death Star.

[ModSocks]

"Fewer teams omit offset language, but some still do. The Rams, per a source with knowledge of the deal, removed offset language from the contract given to Jared Goff (pictured) at No. 1. Then again, the Rams annually have removed offset language for guaranteed money in rookie contracts, regardless of the spot in round one where the player was taken.

At No. 5, the Jaguars also removed offset language for cornerback Jalen Ramsey, consistent with the team’s habit when consistently picking in the top five (but not for much longer).

The only unsigned top-10 pick, Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa, is believed to be seeking no offset language as part of a standoff that caused him to skip mandatory minicamp. But while the fact that the No. 1 and No. 5 picks avoided it, the guys taken at No. 2 and No. 4 have it."

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by dls6501

The Bosa camp is arguing that since the slotting system, which assigns the length, total value and bonus money in rookie deals based on where the player is drafted was instituted, the precedent has been repeatedly set for top five picks to receive either no offset or no deferment.

Since the slotting system went into effect in 2012 (five drafts), every third overall pick has signed a contract in which either the offset was removed or their signing bonus was paid in full by the end of their rookie season, as Bosa is requesting.

16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Three of the top five picks, and five of the top seven picks to have signed this year, either have no offset language or will receive their bonus before the end of the 2016 season.

Both Jared Goff and Jalen Ramsey signed deals which guaranteed them their signing bonus before the end of the 2016 season AND removed the offset language.

While it may not be the "Chargers way" to negotiate the offset language or the timing of the signing bonus, it is how the league conducts its business with its top five picks. This really makes how they go about their business irrelevant and makes them look petty. Joey's camp has reportedly been very upfront about their willingness to compromise on these points by settling for one or the other. And they have communicated this stance since May. They aren't holding out for both.

Fair enough & thanks for the detailed explanation. It sounds like while the vast majority of top picks have had one or the other removed, but 16/20 isn't every one. So it doesn't seem to me like the Chargers are doing something unheard of.

Also the fact that every #3 pick has gotten that deal doesn't mean a lot to me. Maybe if every top 3 pick got it I could see that as somewhat of a precedent, but the fact that 4 players drafted exactly at #3 ended up with that deal doesn't mean that everyone going forward drafted at #3 is entitled to get it.

The way that's worded it sounds like players drafted 1 or 2 didn't get that deal but because he was drafted #3 & the 4 guys before him at that exact position got it he's entitled to it, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. But admittedly I haven't really been following this situation so I may be misunderstanding something.

With that being said even if the Chargers are bucking a precedent, what's the end game for Bosa? Wait out the Chargers all season re-enter the draft, hope he is drafted as highly after not playing for a year & then try to get a non deferred deal next year. Instead of just taking 40% of his money next year he won't get any until then & even then it may be less overall.