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SPchief · 08-31-2014, 02:05 PM

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**alnorth** · 09-02-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

No shit when they can sign him cheaper.

Yeah, we're the only team that might exercise that option, and if we do, it would be at least partially for non-baseball reasons.

For example, if Butler heroically powers us into the playoffs in September, and then does well in the postseason, then it would be a hard sell to tell the fans that 12.5MM is too much, even if it would be the correct decision.

If Butler does well enough that we actually reach that point, then I'd just hope we didn't sign him to some ridiculous new contract, just pay the man his money, and move on in 2016.

Kidd Lex · 09-02-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Yeah, we're the only team that might exercise that option, and if we do, it would be at least partially for non-baseball reasons.

Belly is so un-athletic and his bat speed and pitch recognition have inexplicably fell off of a cliff. He may very well be out of baseball in a few years.

The place to talk Belly Butler news in 3 years will be http://www.chefsplanet.com/

Fansy the Famous Bard · 09-02-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

We have a team option at 12.5M, iirc. If there is a team who is willing to take that option on, then we exercise it and trade him.

ya... no. That's not very likely to happen with that price tag.

**ChiTown** · 09-02-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Traveling for work today after traveling for fun this weekend.

Only caught a few innings of last night's game, but it was interesting. Good start from Ventura, though Yost left him an inning too long (as usual).

Peguero has interesting LH power. And he and Willingham at least give them a few weapons off the bench.

I'm hoping tonight we get to see Finnegan for the first time. If he can lock in as a strong bullpen guy, I feel a lot better about getting through September.

Ned's not going to pull Moustakas against tough lefties late, because he still looks at him likes a developing player (rather than admitting he basically is what he is, most likely, at this point).

I'm still scared or Nervous Ned rearing his ugly head this September. Yesterday's lineup had a bit of that feel.

I don't give a shit about lefty righty matchups in the case of Ibanez. Dude should be a PH ONLY. Butler should have been playing DH last night. PERIOD! I had no problem with Peguero in RF last night, especially iF Willingham is nursing an injury. However, Ned's love affair with Ibanez is beyond excusable, and is damn near a fire-able offense at this point in a Pennant Race.

One more thing........ I don't know how much the Coaches are talking with Dyson right now relative to his base running. But, it's embarrassing to see a guy that is as fast as he is on the base paths, have so little discipline with making good decisions. Between getting picked off base, and over-running the bases, he has turned his advantage into a liability. I pray that shit is being addressed, but somehow, I think that's wishful thinking

ROYC75 · 09-02-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

ya... no. That's not very likely to happen with that price tag.

If he truly wants to stay in KC, he will sign for less $$$.

But he can generate a decent contract in the open market if he hits well here on out, especially for a lower level team needing a DH/1st base back up that is willing to roll the dice they can revitalize his hitting stroke.

ROYC75 · 09-02-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

I don't give a shit about lefty righty matchups in the case of Ibanez. Dude should be a PH ONLY. Butler should have been playing DH last night. PERIOD! I had no problem with Peguero in RF last night, especially iF Willingham is nursing an injury. However, Ned's love affair with Ibanez is beyond excusable, and is damn near a fire-able offense at this point in a Pennant Race.

One more thing........ I don't know how much the Coaches are talking with Dyson right now relative to his base running. But, it's embarrassing to see a guy that is as fast as he is on the base paths, have so little discipline with making good decisions. Between getting picked off base, and over-running the bases, he has turned his advantage into a liability. I pray that shit is being addressed, but somehow, I think that's wishful thinking

Me thinks he wants to play everyday so bad, he is being so aggressive and pressing to accomplish great things when the offense is struggling. You are correct, he doesn't have to, he can jump start the offense by getting on base, BH's, walks, HP's, any damn way! His presence on the base paths is enough to allow pitchers and catchers to mess with the pitch selection for a RBI guy to bring him in!

Just be Dyson, not the superhero Dyson he wants to be.

**ChiTown** · 09-02-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

If he truly wants to stay in KC, he will sign for less $$$.

But he can generate a decent contract in the open market if he hits well here on out, especially for a lower level team needing a DH/1st base back up that is willing to roll the dice they can revitalize his hitting stroke.

I seriously doubt it, UNLESS the Royals make a run in the Playoffs, and Billy's bat is the key to that run. Then, I can see some team willing to "overpay" for his bat. Maybe even the R's

He is what he is: A contact hitter who will hit between .270 and .290, with little power, no glove, no speed, who has the ability to go on streaks where he laces balls into the gap (doubles hitter).

Problem is, his stats are trending down in the last two years, especially Hits, Walks, RBI, HR's, SLG% and OPS. The uptick to Billy is that he's only 28 yrs old. The real question is whether he can get back close to 2012 form: .313, .373, .510, .882, with 29 HR's and 107 RBI. If it were my money, I would't bet on it.

Archie F. Swin · 09-02-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

Just be Dyson, not the superhero Dyson he wants to be.

this team has suffered tremendously from individuals trying to be the hero of the day recently.

-Duffy and Guts with their pick off attempts

-Perez and Moose (sometimes Cain)swinging at everything.

Don't be a hero, just throw strikes and stop swinging at balls FFS.

**alnorth** · 09-02-2014, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

If he truly wants to stay in KC, he will sign for less $$$.

But he can generate a decent contract in the open market if he hits well here on out, especially for a lower level team needing a DH/1st base back up that is willing to roll the dice they can revitalize his hitting stroke.

We would need to decline his option. Then when he's technically a free agent, he can sign for whatever he wants.

MLB players are not allowed to renegotiate their contracts for less money. At best, the MLBPA allows players to defer money if they get paid a fair interest rate.

ChiefsCountry · 09-02-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

I don't give a shit about lefty righty matchups in the case of Ibanez. Dude should be a PH ONLY. Butler should have been playing DH last night. PERIOD! I had no problem with Peguero in RF last night, especially iF Willingham is nursing an injury.

Geez they gave Billy a game off. Not that big of a deal especially considering who they were facing.

**ChiTown** · 09-02-2014, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Geez they gave Billy a game off. Not that big of a deal especially considering who they were facing.

Ibanez is .169 .260 .289 .549. That's like giving up your bat at the DH spot. That's a pretty big deal in my opinion - especially for a Team that has little to no offense right now. Also, a day off for Billy? We are fighting for a playoff spot for the first time in 29 years, suck it the f up. Not to mention, all he has to do is swing the bat.

CaliforniaChief · 09-02-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Ibanez is .169 .260 .289 .549. That's like giving up your bat at the DH spot. That's a pretty big deal in my opinion - especially for a Team that has little to no offense right now. Also, a day off for Billy? We are fighting for a playoff spot for the first time in 29 years, suck it the f up. Not to mention, all he has to do is swing the bat.

Because we're the Royals.

suzzer99 · 09-02-2014, 12:09 PM

I really hope the Royals are having an extensive "hitting with a runner at third and less than 2 outs - how not to swing at balls several feet out of the strike zone" clinic today.

ROYC75 · 09-02-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

We would need to decline his option. Then when he's technically a free agent, he can sign for whatever he wants.

MLB players are not allowed to renegotiate their contracts for less money. At best, the MLBPA allows players to defer money if they get paid a fair interest rate.

I guess I am wrong here. I thought if we do not choose his option, he becomes a FA and can negotiate with any team, including us.

But I do not want him back if we are keeping Willingham. If we do not keep Josh or grab a BIG bat in FA, I would think about it at a much smaller contract. ( providing it was an option ) .

ROYC75 · 09-02-2014, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

The real question is whether he can get back close to 2012 form: .313, .373, .510, .882, with 29 HR's and 107 RBI. If it were my money, I would't bet on it.

Some team may take this chance at a low incentive based contract.

I could be happy with Billy if he could do that every year, I do not know of many on here that would not.

But that one little word says it all .....if.

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