Geno Smith is not worth the 1st overall pick

[CoMoChief]

Alex Smith v2.0

[Pin Head]

Originally Posted by @KCsporting

You guys need to stop thinking about the fact that we have the overall #1 pick. Our overall #1 need is QB, so thats what we need to draft.

I dont give a shit if he's rated the 17th best player on the board. We take him #1.

I can't wait to call out all the people that hated Geno this year, and are buying his jersey next year.

Bad things usually happen with teams that way overdraft QB's in round 1 to fit a need.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TEX

Exactly how BUSTS happen.
Put me # 1 on yout "Call Out" list.

OK, so who are you taking then?

[BWillie]

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I would trade down if it guarantees we can still get one of the Top 3 to 4 QBs. There just aren't any this year that are worthy of the #1 pick and you are splitting hairs between the top QB's so it really doesn't make much of a difference. With that said, there probably isn't going to be a suitor to get a good deal to trade down just due to the top players available and the other needs of teams towards the top.

[Pin Head]

Originally Posted by Crush

Geno, Barkley, Wilson, and Bray will be gone by no. 10. You have to take a QB at no. 1.

I wouldn't kid mysef into anyother QB by Geno Smith #1 overall. NO amount of desperation would push Glennon that high. Or anyother QB in this draft. I'd strongly consider Barkley (or whomever left) in round 2 and BPA #1.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I would trade down if it guarantees we can still get one of the Top 3 to 4 QBs. There just aren't any this year that are worthy of the #1 pick and you are splitting hairs between the top QB's so it really doesn't make much of a difference. With that said, there probably isn't going to be a suitor to get a good deal to trade down just due to the top players available and the other needs of teams towards the top.

If there aren't any QBs in this draft worth the #1 overall pick, who is going to want to trade up?

Like you said, trading down sounds great until you realize that if we, with a 2-14 record and no QB, don't want the #1 pick, nobody else wants it either.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Narrow Head

Bad things usually happen with teams that way overdraft QB's in round 1 to fit a need.

Bad things? You literally can't get any worse as a franchise than KC is right now. More bad things don't mean shit; the franchise is already at rock bottom.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Narrow Head

I wouldn't kid mysef into anyother QB by Geno Smith #1 overall. NO amount of desperation would push Glennon that high. Or anyother QB in this draft. I'd strongly consider Barkley (or whomever left) in round 2 and BPA #1.

So who is BPA at #1?

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Narrow Head

I wouldn't kid mysef into anyother QB by Geno Smith #1 overall. NO amount of desperation would push Glennon that high. Or anyother QB in this draft. I'd strongly consider Barkley (or whomever left) in round 2 and BPA #1.

So basically you want to go with the BEST non-impact position player with your #1, and take the leftovers on the most important position in sports?

[Pin Head]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And this is the stupid thing.

Geno has three years of starting game tape. He's played against top level defenses that featured NFL first rounders.

The Texas and OU games alone should be enough, let alone games like LSU or the Orange Bowl the year before.

Like the combine is going to change anything that Geno has done to this point in his career. Like a single post season All-Star game with three days of practice is going to mean anything.

Hell, Cam Newton threw the ugliest, most inaccurate balls I've ever seen in a structured setting at his combine and he went #1 overall and was NFL rookie of the year.

Geno Smith isn't even remotely close to the pysical specimen Newton is. Newton is faster, stronger, taller with a much better arm than Geno. To have to rely on combines and campus structured is an awful way to make such an important pick. I doubt Geno even throws at the combine.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

So basically you want to go with the BEST non-impact position player with your #1, and take the leftovers on the most important position in sports?

Well said

[duncan_idaho]

Here's my thing:

This draft doesn't HAVE a sure thing. Everyone has warts. There isn't a sure-fire guy at an impact position.

Yeah, Geno Smith has some question marks. Yeah, there are some QBs who are similar (though Glennon is really the only one that has the tools to match Smith's ultimate upside).

But how do the other top prospects hold up if you shine the same light on them that's being shined on Smith?

Let's talk about Luke Joekel, since he's a hot name right now. He's great in pass pro, in the phone booth or on an island, and he's got great, choppy feet. But he also is only an average run blocker at the NFL level and lacks the strength/bulk to dominate in that regard. If you're taking a tackle first overall, he'd better be a guy that dominates in both phases of the offensive game. And is he REALLY that much better than Jake Matthews (who could be available anywhere from 5-15)? Matthews isn't quite as stellar in pass pro but is much better rounded. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Matthews has a better pro career.

What about Star Lutuli? Also a hot name. But compare him to some of the other stud DTs that are first-rounders (Hankins, Floyd, Richardson, etc). IS there really a big separation? Is he MORE of a sure thing than any of them? And does KC REALLY need to spend another first-round pick on a DT (That has worked SO well)...

And, finally, my FAVORITE: Manti Te'o. He's a highly productive player at a position that is NOT a premium spot in the NFL. He's an average CFB athlete and likely below-average in terms of NFL athleticism. He's also not an impact player rushing the QB. Best case scenario for him is probably being as good as Derrick Johnson. How big a difference does it make taking Te'o at 1 vs. the guy from Stanford or someone similar in Round 3?

My point: If you're going to reach for a player - which the Chiefs are going to be doing if they stay at No. 1 regardless - reach for the best guy at the highest impact position. I see Smith and Joekel as similar risks, so I say Smith.

No, Geno Smith is not Andrew Luck or RG3 (at least not at this point). But Joekel is sure as hell not Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace. Manti Te'o is sure as hell not Brian Urlacher. Lutuli is sure as hell not Ndamuhkong Suh.

[ChiefsCountry]

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

[Molitoth]

Narrow Head walks into a bar. After some drinks he decides that he is horny and wants to have the best sex of his life.

He see's this sexy chick just sitting there being talked to by all these other dudes. Just waiting to be snatched up and taken off to be fucked. She likes Narrow Head and claims she will give him everything he wants.

Narrow Head is skeptical. He is having thoughts that she could be high maintenance, or a bitch, but my god could this be a trophy wife. This chick is so hot, it could make HIM famous. The media would be all over him like he was the next big thing.

Narrow Head looks around and spots a fat shy chick sitting by herself. The same girl that nobody else is looking at. He knows she will be intimidated, low maintenance, and probably not cause him much trouble, which is nice... but she could never be beautiful.

Narrow Head scoops over to the fat chick and takes her home in his fairladyZ (not twin turbo) and is never to be heard of again.
Meanwhile, Setsuna is banging the fucking hot chick to stardom, as well as having a threesome with Tim Tebow.


Did this makes any sense?

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

USC sucked with and without Barkley. Barkley is weak sauce like every other USC QB.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Here's my thing:

This draft doesn't HAVE a sure thing. Everyone has warts. There isn't a sure-fire guy at an impact position.

Yeah, Geno Smith has some question marks. Yeah, there are some QBs who are similar (though Glennon is really the only one that has the tools to match Smith's ultimate upside).

But how do the other top prospects hold up if you shine the same light on them that's being shined on Smith?

Let's talk about Luke Joekel, since he's a hot name right now. He's great in pass pro, in the phone booth or on an island, and he's got great, choppy feet. But he also is only an average run blocker at the NFL level and lacks the strength/bulk to dominate in that regard. If you're taking a tackle first overall, he'd better be a guy that dominates in both phases of the offensive game. And is he REALLY that much better than Jake Matthews (who could be available anywhere from 5-15)? Matthews isn't quite as stellar in pass pro but is much better rounded. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Matthews has a better pro career.

What about Star Lutuli? Also a hot name. But compare him to some of the other stud DTs that are first-rounders (Hankins, Floyd, Richardson, etc). IS there really a big separation? Is he MORE of a sure thing than any of them? And does KC REALLY need to spend another first-round pick on a DT (That has worked SO well)...

And, finally, my FAVORITE: Manti Te'o. He's a highly productive player at a position that is NOT a premium spot in the NFL. He's an average CFB athlete and likely below-average in terms of NFL athleticism. He's also not an impact player rushing the QB. Best case scenario for him is probably being as good as Derrick Johnson. How big a difference does it make taking Te'o at 1 vs. the guy from Stanford or someone similar in Round 3?

My point: If you're going to reach for a player - which the Chiefs are going to be doing if they stay at No. 1 regardless - reach for the best guy at the highest impact position. I see Smith and Joekel as similar risks, so I say Smith.

No, Geno Smith is not Andrew Luck or RG3 (at least not at this point). But Joekel is sure as hell not Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace. Manti Te'o is sure as hell not Brian Urlacher. Lutuli is sure as hell not Ndamuhkong Suh.

Superb.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

I'm at the point where I'm giving my full support and leeway behind whoever the new coach thinks is the best QB. If that's Barkley, then I'm behind it with patience. Same with Wilson or Bray or Glennon or Smith.