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2018 STL Cardinals Thread
Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

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Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:24 AM   #271
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This is why they should have given Lynn a 3-year deal he couldn't say no to.
why is that? Flaherty and Hudson have way higher ceilings than him. We need them to excel, not Lynn be stable but average.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:30 AM   #272
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Love the guy and everything he did for us, but his time is over. Needs to retire. Like, yesterday.
izzy got old quick. Waino saved that season. The curveball to move us on to the WS and get pass Beltran who had ruined so many playoff games for us. On the mound when we won our first World Series in 25 years.

Aging stops for no one. His Legacy is established. Go put on the red jacket and listen to the standing O’s on opening days.
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Old 03-25-2018, 01:24 PM   #273
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why is that? Flaherty and Hudson have way higher ceilings than him. We need them to excel, not Lynn be stable but average.
Hudson's ceiling is, at best, what Lance Lynn has given the Cardinals for five straight years. He's thrown a total of 160 innings in the minors, and there is nothing special about any of them. He strikes out about five per nine in the minors, and he's walked about three per nine.

Flaherty is a nice prospect, but he's not a future ace, and Reyes has never thrown more than 115 innings or so.

Given that there were only about 15 guys that threw 200 last year in all of baseball, you need innings. Lynn gave you good innings. Wainwright is done, Wacha's shoulder is always a question mark, he's not that good when healthy anyway, and Reyes is not going to be close to carrying a full season load until 2020. So where are you going to get all those innings from?

And Lynn was not stable but average. He was 20th in baseball in WAR from the time he became a starter until his elbow injury and 22nd in innings. He wasn't as good last year, but no one is their first year back from TJ.

Take Martinez's first three years as a starter: 10 WAR, about 190 innings per year, struck out 9 per 9 innings
Take Lynn's first three years as a starter: 9.9 WAR, about 190 innings per year, struck out 8.5 per 9 innings

Why is one an ace and the other one just average and stable? Cardinal fans criminally underrated Lance Lynn, and now they get to enjoy shitbags like Miles Mikolas and wait for guys that never sniffed his MLB production despite being in AA to replace him.
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Alex Reyes is still on the DL? What's the word on him? Just handling him softly or what?
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Alex Reyes is still on the DL? What's the word on him? Just handling him softly or what?
his activation date has always been April 1st.
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his activation date has always been April 1st.
I thought it was May 1st.
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I thought it was May 1st.
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And Lynn was not stable but average. He was 20th in baseball in WAR from the time he became a starter until his elbow injury and 22nd in innings. He wasn't as good last year, but no one is their first year back from TJ.

Take Martinez's first three years as a starter: 10 WAR, about 190 innings per year, struck out 9 per 9 innings
Take Lynn's first three years as a starter: 9.9 WAR, about 190 innings per year, struck out 8.5 per 9 innings

Why is one an ace and the other one just average and stable? Cardinal fans criminally underrated Lance Lynn, and now they get to enjoy shitbags like Miles Mikolas and wait for guys that never sniffed his MLB production despite being in AA to replace him.
You have forgot more about WAR and statistics this morning than I know totally. However....................

There is more to this game than statistics. Lynn never passed the eye test. He rarely shined in a crucial time. Most of the time he wilted when we needed him to step up. He was just another guy.

If the Cardinals were such buffoons for not re-signing Lynn, what about the other 31 clubs? If he has such great talent and value, why did he only get offered a super cheap one year deal from those other 31 clubs?
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You need Lynn to eat innings to get you to said crucial time.
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Mo is an abomination. Losing Lynn like that is beyond pathetic.
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This is why they should have given Lynn a 3-year deal he couldn't say no to.
Exactly, we needed a reliable innings eater in the middle of the rotation.
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Exactly, we needed a reliable innings eater in the middle of the rotation.
In 2019 Lynn will be 32 and on the inevitable aging downward spiral.

In 2019, the Cardinals are going to have the best young pitching staff in baseball. No other club will come close to the youth and MLB quality we will have in the rotation. No one.
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Mo is an abomination. Losing Lynn like that is beyond pathetic.
Again, what about the other 31 clubs? Are they beyond pathetic too?

Mo deserves a lot of grief over some of his decisions. Just not this one.

The fact that the other 31 baseball teams wern't interested in having him as a part of their rotation beyond 1 year or unless dirt cheap cant be ignored.
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In 2019 Lynn will be 32 and on the inevitable aging downward spiral.

In 2019, the Cardinals are going to have the best young pitching staff in baseball. No other club will come close to the youth and MLB quality we will have in the rotation. No one.
Pardon me if I don't share your enthusiasm about our young pitchers. Martinez has a 10 cent head, Reyes is an unknown until he gets some innings under his belt and Flaherty and Weaver are just prospects.
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