Chiefs MELLINGER: Should The Chiefs Move On From Smith? - Page 12

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 12:35 PM

Yep, another Alex Smith thread - but a solid and fair read from Sam Mellinger.

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The only way forward is through brutal honesty and realistic self-evaluation. No sport moves as quickly, or with such little empathy, as the NFL.

Only fools assume what happened in the past will continue to happen in the future, unless that assumption is “the Patriots will win every year from now until armageddon because Bill Belichick is an alien.”

And so it is that this particular group of Chiefs players and executives attempt to solve a puzzle that no group of Chiefs players and executives has solved since 1970, which is so long ago CBS erased the tape to save money:

Get to the Super Bowl.

And it’s hard to believe that will happen without addressing the quarterback situation.

This is not a call for the Chiefs to walk away from Alex Smith, even though this is the first offseason since his arrival in which they could do it without a fatal salary cap hit. This is a call for them to look, to try, to make sure they don’t have access to a better option — whether that’s Tony Romo in a trade, Deshaun Watson in the draft (which would almost certainly require a trade up), or anything else.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

The reason you're picking these individual irrelevant stats like this is because his overall stats are shit and show him as the mediocre dope we all know he is.

He ranked 11th in QBR
Spotrac says his cap hit was 13th highest. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/quarterback/
Team wins ranked 3rd overall out of 32 with the highest graded strength of victory amongst all playoff teams.

Use some common sense you idiot.

Chiefspants · 01-17-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Tiger reminds me of the Matt Cassel apologists circa 2011.

That may as well be the Hank Stram era for Tiger.

Do you plan on staying with the Chiefs when they move on from Alex, Tiger? Or would you follow him if you felt he was replaced unfairly?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please quit responding to the troll.

This.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-17-2017, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

I think this is not really accurate. The Chiefs were no where near perfect on Sunday night and they still lost by only 2 freaking points. If any ONE of those dropped passes get caught and converted into field goal... Chiefs win, If Smith doesn't flush from the pocket early and sees Hill - Chiefs win, If Tamba is one foot to the left and knocks Rapelessburger over, 3 come off the board, and the Chiefs win, If the defense just forces one more punt, Chiefs win, you could go on and on and I'm not talking about a culmination of all of these things... just one. Chiefs didn't need to be perfect with Smith, they just needed ONE of these things to happen. One play better, any one of these guys to step up.

Go get your QB KC. Pick him in the first round and God Bless the KC Chiefs.

I get your point, but you could say the same for Pittsburgh in a lot of ways.

If Pittsburgh scores on just one or two of their redzone trips, we still lose.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:17 PM

Not to forget if Kelce catches that 40 yard pass we likely get a TD and Reid doesn't shit the bed with his late game antics.

keg in kc · 01-17-2017, 05:18 PM

Alex Smith is just a symptom. Moving on from Andy Reid would be the cure.

DJ's left nut · 01-17-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Alex Smith is just a symptom. Moving on from Andy Reid would be the cure.

I don't think I agree, but you have to isolate variables to be sure.

I still think Reid is among the best coaches in the NFL when taken on balance. He has some warts, but he has enough strengths to more than outweigh them.

That said, give him his young QB and a shot at development. If Reid's the problem, isolate Reid, confirm it and move along. If Smith's the problem, you can't know until you see Reid working with a new guy.

The best way to ensure you never dig out of a whole is to change too many variables and start chasing outcomes. I think you're wrong but I'm willing to consider the possibility that you're right. The only way to do so is to test Reid independently of Smith.

This was Smith's year, IMO. He had the weapons and he had the talent on the line. He was given the pieces to succeed and he failed. He's the easiest variable to change with the shortest shelf life. Change it, move along to the next possibility.

Get Reid a new QB, coach him up and see what we have. If it's more of the same, time to reconsider.

kccrow · 01-17-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Not to forget if Kelce catches that 40 yard pass we likely get a TD and Reid doesn't shit the bed with his late game antics.

Just like when Alex didn't see a wide open Hill for a TD twice with no pressure and rolled out of the pocket?

RobBlake · 01-17-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Not to forget if Kelce catches that 40 yard pass we likely get a TD and Reid doesn't shit the bed with his late game antics.

the problem is.. KC didn't get many chances. Every time I've seen them in games they lose *when they should win* they always operate in a narrow window. Andy needs to fix that. Namely how he sets up offensive drives. Horizontal plays need to be limited, Hill needs to learn WR position more and he needs more targets. Kelce does not get fed enough.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Just like when Alex didn't see a wide open Hill for a TD twice with no pressure and rolled out of the pocket?

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Originally Posted by RobBlake

the problem is.. KC didn't get many chances. Every time I've seen them in games they lose *when they should win* they always operate in a narrow window. Andy needs to fix that. Namely how he sets up offensive drives. Horizontal plays need to be limited, Hill needs to learn WR position more and he needs more targets. Kelce does not get fed enough.

Please stop replying to the troll?

Fish · 01-17-2017, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Interesting how the "make or break" year is perpetually pushed to next season.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Guarantee we could find some posts made exactly this time last year saying the exact same ****ing thing. Rinse, repeat....

He's the definition of Truefan...

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake

the problem is.. KC didn't get many chances. Every time I've seen them in games they lose *when they should win* they always operate in a narrow window. Andy needs to fix that. Namely how he sets up offensive drives. Horizontal plays need to be limited, Hill needs to learn WR position more and he needs more targets. Kelce does not get fed enough.

What kind of stupid asinine comment is this? He LED the league in yards. You are asking Reid to go one dimensional when the best offenses distribute the ball amongst capable players. Have you ever watched the Patriots play?

kccrow · 01-17-2017, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think I agree, but you have to isolate variables to be sure.

I still think Reid is among the best coaches in the NFL when taken on balance. He has some warts, but he has enough strengths to more than outweigh them.

That said, give him his young QB and a shot at development. If Reid's the problem, isolate Reid, confirm it and move along. If Smith's the problem, you can't know until you see Reid working with a new guy.

The best way to ensure you never dig out of a whole is to change too many variables and start chasing outcomes.

Agree. The plays are there, they aren't being made. Andy doesn't call a bad game. You have a QB missing easy reads, wide open receivers consistently. You can't expect better results going back to that well. Receivers make mistakes too, but its the QBs job to give them the opportunities. It's Reid's job to give the QB the opportunities, and I believe he's doing that.

DJ's left nut · 01-17-2017, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please stop replying to the troll?

Troll or not, there are some folks who are too ensconced in their opinions to be worth too much dialogue.

Tiger's one of them. He's not changing his mind so why bother? I don't think he's trolling, I think he's simply that certain of his belief (and a bit of an insane fanboi).

Regardless of the why, there's still not a great deal of need for prolonged debate. Speak your piece, give him the floor for a bit and move along.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Guarantee we could find some posts made exactly this time last year saying the exact same ****ing thing. Rinse, repeat....

He's the definition of Truefan...

Smith earned another season with his play this year (swept the division, 2 huge comeback games, 1st round bye). His TD total of 20 in 14.5 games by rate is identical to his 22 TD's in 16 games in 2015. Sack rate went down almost by half. QBR went up. Completion rate went up.

All of this DESPITE Maclin playing like crap, a rookie as the #1 receiver, and a run game that clearly lost a step.

Smith ain't the problem. Dorsey knows this. Unfortunately, CP is too dumb to realize there are 5 bigger problems on this team.

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