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Old 10-25-2017, 02:49 PM  
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The best and worst QBs when the opponent scores 24+
So there seems to be some question as to the validity of this metric in determining a quarterback's worth.

I assure you, it's nigh infallible, as we will prove post haste.

***The Official List of QB records vs teams scoring at least 24 points***

(active bolded/includes playoffs/starts only):

55 QBs on this list, 24 active, 21 retired.

TIER I (30 wins or .300 or better). Elites, HOFers. No game managers.

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Tom Brady 47-48 (.495 GOAT)
Joe Montana 23-25 (.479)
Aaron Rodgers 25-36 (.410)
Derek Carr 12-18 (.400) THIS SEEMS TO BODE WELL
Randall Cunningham: 19-29 (.396)
Peyton Manning 44-73 (.376)
Andrew Luck 15-26 (.367)
Matt Ryan 25-46 (.352)
Jim Kelly 20-37 (.351)
Kurt Warner 21-39 (.350)
Roger Staubach 10-19 (.345)
Tony Romo 17-37 (.315)
Drew Brees 39-85 (.314)
Johnny Unitas 18-38-2 (.310)
Rich Gannon 15-34 (.306)
Philip Rivers 25-57 (.305)
Brett Favre 35-83 (.296)
TIER II (20 wins or .215 or better) Elites, HOFers who had a rough go at some point, good QBs.

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Joe Flacco 16-38 (.296)
John Elway 22-53 (0.293)
Ben Roethlisberger 17-41 (.293)
Drew Bledsoe 21-51 (.292)
Joe Theismann 11-27 (.289)
Trent Green 17-42 (.288)
Dan Fouts 24-61 (0.282)
Donovan McNabb 14-36 (.280)
Steve Young 12-32 (.272)
Michael Vick 15-41-1 (.263)
Russell Wilson 7-20 (.259)
Cam Newton 11-31-1 (.256)
Dan Marino 22-64 (.255)
Matt Schaub 13-39 (.250)
Andy Dalton 10-28-2 (.250)
Matthew Stafford 14-44 (.241)
Kirk Cousins 7-21-1 (.241)
Len Dawson 12-37-2 (.235)
Jay Cutler 14-48 (.225)
Steve McNair 12-42 (.222)
Warren Moon 20-72 (.217)
Eli Manning 22-80 (.215) MENDOZA LINE FOR MODERN DAY QB RELEVANCY. ABANDON HOPE BELOW.
TIER III (10 wins or fewer or less than .215) Worthless vagabond mediocre game manager retreads

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Ryan Tannehill 7-26 (.212)
Chad Pennington 6-23 (.207)
Matt Cassel 8-31 (.205)
Sam Bradford 7-26-1 (.205)
Matt Hasselbeck 15-61 (.197)
Jon Kitna 12-53 (0.184)
Mark Sanchez 6-27 (.181)
Steve DeBerg 12-56 (0.176)
Jake Plummer 10-47 (.175)
Alex Smith 9-42-1 (.173)
Kerry Collins 12-64 (.158)
Brad Johnson 5-30 (.142)
Jeff George 8-52 (.133)
Vinny Testaverde 11-77 (.125)
Trent Dilfer 4-29 (.121)
Bill Kenney: 3-24 (.111)
Blake Bortles 3-24 (.111)
Ryan Fitzpatrick 6-49 (.109)
Josh McCown 3-29 (.093)
TIER IV

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(Current starters not listed due to low sample size: Wentz, Goff, Siemian, Winston, Prescott, Mariota, Taylor, Trubisky, Hoyer, Browns flavor of the week)

This list not only proves the validity of the stat via NFL history, but compares Smith to most of his relevant peers still playing the NFL. In both cases he comes up vastly, VASTLY short.

Close closed.

Tip your game manager on the way out.

And in case you were wondering...

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Old 11-05-2017, 07:34 PM   #61
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I want to point out that Rich Gannon, sofistme's favorite, is in Tier 1 and he was totally a game manager. Rich was Alex Smith before Alex Smith.
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Old 11-05-2017, 07:40 PM   #62
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Alex needs to get his shit together to keep his trade value up where we need it. He is getting hard to watch again.
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I want to point out that Rich Gannon, sofistme's favorite, is in Tier 1 and he was totally a game manager. Rich was Alex Smith before Alex Smith.
Gannon wasn't a game manager in Oakland.
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Jake Plummer 10-47 (.175)
Alex Smith 9-42-1 (.173)
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Trent Green 17-42 (.288)


To be fare he had to put up 30+points a game to get wins. There was no defense.

KU could have scored on Greg Robinson defense.
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Trent Green 17-42 (.288)


To be fare he had to put up 30+points a game to get wins. There was no defense.

KU could have scored on Greg Robinson defense.
.288 puts him just outside Tier I, though.

That's a good mark.
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Awesome info! How long did it take you to put this together?

I'm kinda curious if Romo gets a hall of fame push at some point. Lack of playoff success is against him, but he had a 97 career QB rating, same as Brady but better than Manning or Warner.
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Awesome info! How long did it take you to put this together?

I'm kinda curious if Romo gets a hall of fame push at some point. Lack of playoff success is against him, but he had a 97 career QB rating, same as Brady but better than Manning or Warner.
I took a few hours last week when I got a bug up my ass about it.
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Gannon wasn't a game manager in Oakland.
Oh yes he was...I realize it was nearly 20 years ago, but Gannon didnt throw a single pass more than 5 yards downfield. The epitome of game manager.
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Oh yes he was...I realize it was nearly 20 years ago, but Gannon didnt throw a single pass more than 5 yards downfield. The epitome of game manager.


Not one single pass beyond 5 yards?
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Oh yes he was...I realize it was nearly 20 years ago, but Gannon didnt throw a single pass more than 5 yards downfield. The epitome of game manager.
You're basically a living meme at this point but c'mon, man.

Game managers don't throw for 5k
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A very telling stat. This statistic pretty much lands QBs in the correct place.

I would not have thought Carr would be that high on the list, or Alex would be that low.
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So Carr adds another victory to that stat.
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A very telling stat. This statistic pretty much lands QBs in the correct place.

I would not have thought Carr would be that high on the list, or Alex would be that low.
Well what it shows is that Alex Smith has made a career in Kansas City living on the Defense and ST and getting credit for W when they carried his ass.
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So Carr adds another victory to that stat.
Tom Brady 47-48 (.495 GOAT)
Joe Montana 23-25 (.479)
Aaron Rodgers 25-36 (.410)
Derek Carr 12-18 (.400) THIS SEEMS TO BODE WELL

OP Updated fully.

UP: Carr, Wilson
DOWN: Cutler, Cousins, Manning, ALEX
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