Would you trade Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick straight up?

[Alex Smith 4Ever]

I would not. Alex is a better quarterback right now and does not have the off field incidents of Kaepernick

[KCSLC2008]

Oops, I didn't see Jakemall's response to your post. I didn't even think about using 2012 against your statement. Note, we're not talking about who's better. Just ceiling and floor.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What a weird question to ask. I have never been to either of their houses.

I actually laughed out loud. I didn't just type lol... actually laughed and people said... what?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

This statement has already been proven false..so why go into the rest of your post?

Alex performed better in 2012 than Kap did in 2013. Alex performed better in 2013 once he got the playbook down and developed some chemistry with the other players...and arguably did it with less offensive talent than Kap had.

So, Kap's floor is not Alex's ceiling. No questioning Kap is talented..but your statement is unmitigated bullshit.

THis. I can see where Kaep could potentially be better one day... just due to his physical abilities and arm strength. As of now though, Alex is the superior passer, and handles crucial drives better. Kaep may put it all together, or he may regress even further. I'd not like to take that chance, IF it were about choosing one or the other to lead my team that is ready for playoff contention today.

[Eleazar]

Alex Smith is good enough right now and probably will be for 2-3 more seasons. Krap might be good enough one day, but he isn't at the moment, and he doesn't seem to be the squeaky-clean high character guy that he was originally sold as.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Alex Smith is good enough right now and probably will be for 2-3 more seasons. Krap might be good enough one day, but he isn't at the moment, and he doesn't seem to be the squeaky-clean high character guy that he was originally sold as.

There is not a scintilla of evidence that Kap is not the squeaky clean high character guy I think he is.


From Rotoworld:


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...lin-kaepernick


"Per the report, it was Ricardo Lockette who called the police after the woman reportedly refused to leave his apartment. The police then called a "crisis intervention team ," which deals with calls "involving people with mental illness including those with co-occurring substance use disorders." It's appearing less and less likely that any of Kaepernick, Lockette or Quinton Patton will be charged with a crime. Apr 14 - 5:15 PM"


So Lockette called the police when the woman refused to leave his apartment, and Kaepernick was already gone by then. The boys called the cops on the crazy chick.

Much ado about nothing. People are so quick to judge.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

THis. I can see where Kaep could potentially be better one day... just due to his physical abilities and arm strength. As of now though, Alex is the superior passer, and handles crucial drives better. Kaep may put it all together, or he may regress even further. I'd not like to take that chance, IF it were about choosing one or the other to lead my team that is ready for playoff contention today.

This team isn't ready for playoff contention. Have to wait until 2015.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

Kaepernick has already won more playoff games in two years than Alex has in 8.

Ok... but Kaep stepped onto the field surrounded by a superbowl-ready team.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This team isn't ready for playoff contention. Have to wait until 2015.

You could be right... or you could just be a quitter.. again.

Will be fun to watch this season either way!

[temper11]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Yeah, after the line gelled and gave him more time in the pocket he looked pretty good.

I wonder how many games it will take for our new line to gel?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You could be right... or you could just be a quitter.. again.

Will be fun to watch this season either way!

Of course, those weren't my words.

Those were the words of people defending this offseason's personnel "plan".

Oops.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by brucey_72

Also how people keep saying Kaep has a stronger arm than Alex, I watched every single 49ers game last season and he rarely throws it deep and when he does it is inaccurate half the time. He spends most of his time trying to figure out if he should run or pass. He will stand there with a clean 10 yards in front of him and bounce until the gap is closed and normally ends up with a sack or 2 yard gain.

He runs when he has someone open but hesitates to run when no one is open and has a clear a run way. I sit there and spend most of my time screaming at the TV for him to make a decision.

He is also terrible in the red zone. I know the moment he gets inside the 10 yard line it will be a FG.

That bullshit about Kap's arm and deep accuracy is about as weak an attempt at spreading bullshit nonsense as I can remember.


Arm strength

When did Alex throw a football 60 mph at the combine? Kaepernick did.



Deep Passing Accuracy


Kaepernick was the 2nd most accurate deep passer in the NFL last year, behind Russell Wilson.






Deep Passing Frequency


Kaepernick was the 3rd most frequent deep passer in the NFL. Not3 Alex's rank of 31st.






Source:

http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart...nfl-1469917039


Alex vs. Kaepernick. Kaepernic, and it isn't even close. Kaepernick's floor is Alex's ceiling.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by KCSLC2008

The rest of your post was fine. But this is not true. Last year was Kaepernick's floor. Some argue that Smith had a better year (citing 2013 second half performance) and the Niners team overall was better. I won't argue that, but I believe that this next year will be higher than Kaepernick's last year. I'm not just talking about stats. Reid is getting Smith to pass more than he's ever done and he has and will take more deep shots than he did with Harbaugh while maintaining his low interceptions.

Have gotten to know you as a poster a little bit over the last year and I think you're reasonable. I think that statement was little bit exaggerated. I'm not saying Smith > Kaepernick or arguing upside or youth.

I am happy to clarify what I mean. And this is just my opinion, so it will take another 2 years to test if I am right or wrong.

When I say Alex's ceiling is Kaepernick's floor, I mean that Alex and Kaepernick have been comparably effective QBs since 2011, with Alex about done developing, while Kaepernick has enormous room to fill out his ultimate potential.

Alex is 98% done developing and what you have with him is what you get. Neither performance nor skill level will leap up substantially from here. QBs develop their entire careers, but he is approaching a limit to his ultimate development.

I believe Colin Kaepernick has elite potential. He struggled and was poor often as a pocket passer last year. I know he came out of Nevada pretty raw and know he was going to take longer to develop than an Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson, who both came from pro-type programs in college. Every QB needs development in the NFL, but Kaepernick needed remedial coaching just to get what Luck and Wilson got in college.

So I am predicting a leap in Kaepernick's performance going forward. Here is where most will laugh me off this forum. Colin is very intelligent, very coachable, is driven, has insane work ethic, and has a QB guru in Jim Harbaugh to groom him, personally if need be.

That tells me that Kaepernick will eventually become an elite pocket passer along the lines of a Drew Brees.

Like I said, nobody on this forum can see that. They all think he is a running QB that will never learn to pass the ball, Another Mike Vick or Kordell Stewart.

I saw Steve Young's development in real time, and I can tell you that he was a bad passer when he came to Tampa Bay, and it was only Bill Walsh's coaching that was able to take his intelligence and drive and work ethic, and make him into an elite pocket passer.

I am convinced Jim Harbaugh will do for Colin Kaepernick what Bill Walsh did for Steve Young. If Kaepernick is still struggling with reads and progressions and still bailing from a clean pocket to run, at the end of 2014, then I'll start to worry.

About my only concern at this time is his ability to see the field. Jim Harbaugh just said that Johnny Manziel sees the field better than any college QB he has ever seen. About my only concern is how well Kaepernick is seeing the field, because he doesn't seem to see the field very well. He certainly fails to read progressions from sideline to sideline. But the jury is out on that. Steve Young said that pretty much every young QB has to learn how to read the field from sideline to sideline. Kaepernick is definitely struggling more than most young QBs with that.

A full year with Crabtree, Boldin and Vernon Davis on the field will prove that one way or another. He will have no more excuses as a developing pocket passer if he is still struggling at the end of 2014 after a full year with those 3.

So my claim that "Kaepernick's floor is Alex's ceiling" stems from my belief is that both QBs are about equally effective today, but Alex is virtually done developing while Kaepernick will develop into an elite pocket passer, with his legs making him an elite dual-threat weapon that can put a team on his shoulders.

Only time will tell how wrong I am. This is why I am on record saying I wouldn't trade Kaepernick for any QB in the NFL except Andrew Luck, and maybe Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is elite and Luck is lock to be. Brady and Manning are old and almost out with Brees right behind them. There isn't a developing QB in the league I would want over Kaepernick except for Andrew Luck. And I've just explained why in this post.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

THis. I can see where Kaep could potentially be better one day... just due to his physical abilities and arm strength. As of now though, Alex is the superior passer, and handles crucial drives better. Kaep may put it all together, or he may regress even further. I'd not like to take that chance, IF it were about choosing one or the other to lead my team that is ready for playoff contention today.

Just out of curiosity, are you aware that the Kaepernick lead 49ers hold the NFL record for largest comeback in the history of the NFC NFC championship game?

Alex is the superior passer?

I would post stats but I don't need to. How many yards did Alex amass on passes to Jamaal Charles behind the line of scrimmage? I'm not knocking Andy Reid's strategy to have Alex put the ball in the hands of your top offensive playmaker. That is good strategy.

I'm just trying to remind you that a good chunk of your total passing yards last year came off passes to Charles behind the LOS that any serviceable QB could make. I have never seen Alex complete a pass like this one below, but if I just missed it, feel free to post it. Alex would never even attempt such a throw with a WR covered like that.

Beautiful pocket presence by Kap as well, something he is often unjustly knocked for.

Which is not to say I have never seen Alex make a great pass. The winning TD pass to Vernon Davis against the Saints in the 2011 Divisional game was a great pass by Alex.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Alex is 98% done developing and what you have with him is what you get. Neither performance nor skill level will leap up substantially from here. QBs develop their entire careers, but he is approaching a limit to his ultimate development.

This is what I don't get. Why does everyone think they know when Smith is done developing? Yeah he's been in the league a long time.... but people were saying he was done developing prior to the 2011 season as well. And they were saying it a lot. Then the niners got an actual coaching staff, that had a game plan, and he took a huge step forward. Everyone said that was the "best he could do and no more". Then he was even better in 2012 before his concussion. Again people said... "that's it, that's his ceiling". Then he goes to a 2 win team and his numbers improve again - and that with all the challenges that go into being in a new system with new teammates and new... everything.

Again... this upcoming season will only be the 2nd time in his entire career in which he has the same OC from the previous year. Prior to 2011, he'd only had one season in which he started in more than 10 games. The other years were a mess of QB carousels in which a team can't possibly hope to gain any kind of continuity - or he was out for an entire season with an injury to his throwing shoulder. An injury that was originally completely mis-diagnosed forcing Smith to play through considerable pain for much of the previous season - and is most likely the reason people have the misconception that he has a weak throwing arm.

I have no idea what his ceiling is, I don't think anyone can know. He was so mis-used for so long, he is basically just now getting the opportunity to see what the **** he can do.

[Sandy Vagina]

to Kaepernick

didn't read, lolz... crawl on back to your SF board, Kaeperdicksucka.






( mostly kidding, I don't really care about this particular "debate" )