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Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 08:19 PM

This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate.

The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ****ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye.

What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What??

I'll tell you what happened. Kyle ****ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ****ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous.

Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success:

The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success.
He is still Kyle Orton.

That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone.

He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown.

After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-****ing-diculous speedster.

At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright.

I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us.

So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3.

This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ****ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst.

I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady.

Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps.

Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none.

This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better.

Let's win this ****ing game.

Exoter175 · 11-02-2014, 09:54 PM

A road game in Ralph Wilson stadium is risky business, always has been, always will.

We are pretty decent road team with a few guys coming back from injury and suspension now having a few games under their belts. I saw Stephenson in todays game finally, Berry did some work, though he didn't look completely up to speed yet. Bills have a few injury concerns for sure, similar to ours, but I feel like they've had to go through a little easier of a schedule to get to this game at 5-3. The bills I believe are 2-2 at home this year and coming out of the bye. I"m not worried about their QB situation at all, I feel like we can beat them in a passing game matchup, but the only thing that scares me is their running game vs. our road defense. If they gash us like they've been known to do before, this is going to be a nightmare of a game that we MUST execute with almost ZERO mistakes to win. It has the feeling of a trap game, it really does, but this team is 5-3 just like us with similar opponents played. Might just be the toughest game we play to this point in the year, but one I"m really looking forward to, because if you look at the statistics that matter, 3rd down conversion percentages, average start of possession, time of possession, and net/avg points scored, this game looks very one sided.

Dante84 · 11-02-2014, 09:56 PM

So, I imagine a lot of screens to Charles/Knile/DAT, and a lot of fake-screens where Alex pumps to the flat to Charles/Knile/DAT, then tosses over the top to Fasano/Kelce.

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 09:56 PM

Hammock Parties · 11-02-2014, 09:56 PM

The Bills out gained us like 490-270 last year.

This won't be easy. And Jeff Tuel isn't walking through that door.

Three7s · 11-02-2014, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

A road game in Ralph Wilson stadium is risky business, always has been, always will.

We are pretty decent road team with a few guys coming back from injury and suspension now having a few games under their belts. I saw Stephenson in todays game finally, Berry did some work, though he didn't look completely up to speed yet. Bills have a few injury concerns for sure, similar to ours, but I feel like they've had to go through a little easier of a schedule to get to this game at 5-3. The bills I believe are 2-2 at home this year and coming out of the bye. I"m not worried about their QB situation at all, I feel like we can beat them in a passing game matchup, but the only thing that scares me is their running game vs. our road defense. If they gash us like they've been known to do before, this is going to be a nightmare of a game that we MUST execute with almost ZERO mistakes to win. It has the feeling of a trap game, it really does, but this team is 5-3 just like us with similar opponents played. Might just be the toughest game we play to this point in the year, but one I"m really looking forward to, because if you look at the statistics that matter, 3rd down conversion percentages, average start of possession, time of possession, and net/avg points scored, this game looks very one sided.

Their RBs are injured. That's the last thing I'm worried about. What has me concerned is Sammy Watkins and the Bills front 7.

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 09:58 PM

Damn. Did not know they lead the NFL in interceptions and sacks.

Direckshun · 11-02-2014, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Their RBs are injured. That's the last thing I'm worried about. What has me concerned is Sammy Watkins and the Bills front 7.

Clamp down Watkins, and you kill the Bills offense in the crib.

He's going to be an All Pro in a couple years.

Exoter175 · 11-02-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DA_T_84

So, I imagine a lot of screens to Charles/Knile/DAT, and a lot of fake-screens where Alex pumps to the flat to Charles/Knile/DAT, then tosses over the top to Fasano/Kelce.

Safe to assume. I really want to see DAT get a few more "good" touches in this game, more designed plays like we saw a few of early on today, but a few less "check down" routes. He's got too much speed to be that check down option to be dumping the ball to with a linebacker 4 yards off him and breaking. A few designed screens and sweeps with DAT would be LOVELY. A lot of screens with Charles would be awesome, screen after mother****ing screen like we did against the Raiders in Oakland last year.

Other than that, Bowe's gotta keep moving forward with his recent momentum, and either AJ or Junior need to make that next step up and do something. AJ I THOUGHT was going to be that guy, made a huge play, then ran out of bounds untouched on a surefire TD, and Hemingway always looks like he's int he position to get extra yardage and just somehow stops and sits down, I don't get it.

As long as we can feed the ball to Kelce, Charles, Bowe, and DAT, I think we'll be alright.

Exoter175 · 11-02-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Their RBs are injured. That's the last thing I'm worried about. What has me concerned is Sammy Watkins and the Bills front 7.

Dixon is a pretty solid runner, actually, and they have a history of gashing us in yardage.

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Damn. Did not know they lead the NFL in interceptions and sacks.

Do you not play fantasy football at all? lol

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Clamp down Watkins, and you kill the Bills offense in the crib.

He's going to be an All Pro in a couple years.

Gaines/Smith or both on Watkins is likely, I'm truly not at all worried about him, we've faced some solid receivers this year without Berry and walked away just fine, its their ground game and defensive front 7 that I'm most worried about.

Again, NOT AT ALL concerned about their QB situation and passing game.

mcaj22 · 11-02-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think they probably slap Sean Smith on Watkins all day, and maybe bracket him.

The Bills have a decent cast of other weapons, but Chandler, Woods, and Mike Williams shouldn't be enough to beat the Chiefs if they're able to put the clamps on Watkins.

yea but Sean Smith isn't that good, or that kind of player that can key on a talent like Watkins for 60 snaps.

He will lose that match up every time.

Exoter175 · 11-02-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yea but Sean Smith isn't that good, or that kind of player that can key on a talent like Watkins for 60 snaps.

He will lose that match up every time.

What kind of Watkins tape are you watching?

milkman · 11-02-2014, 10:07 PM

The Bills are among the league leaders in TO deferential and explosive plays.

Protect the ball and limit big plays, win.
That simple.

lcarus · 11-02-2014, 10:07 PM

Don't think Fred Jackson is gonna be back from his injury yet, but if he is, the Bills throw to him out of the backfield a LOT.

**kysirsoze** · 11-02-2014, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The Bills are among the league leaders in TO deferential and explosive plays.

Protect the ball and limit big plays, win.
That simple.

Luckily that seems to be our game-plan regardless of what team we are playing.

Hammock Parties · 11-02-2014, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Damn. Did not know they lead the NFL in interceptions and sacks.

If Alex survives this hellhole...he earns my respect.

11-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4353447	Let's talk about the ing Bills. This one is huge, people. If you didn't already know, and aren't already reading along in the two threads we're discussing this, this one could be for an NFL tiebreaker. Plus, it is a game we need to win so that we don't have to beat the league's most talented teams later to compensate. The Bills are 5-3. We are 5-3. This, for all intents and purposes, is a playoff game. And it's in ***ing Buffalo, a place where they're almost* as starved for playoff success as we are. Even worse, they're coming off a bye. What the hell happened in Buffalo? This team was a hopeless dope of a franchise for years. They were awful last year. Now, they're suddenly competent and possibly even good? Without a running game??? What?? I'll tell you what happened. Kyle **ing Orton happened. All of a sudden, the Bills have a QB who doesn't Belcher their entire chance at success. Orton can, you know, actually pass the ball, can adequately read defenses, and doesn't make gargantuan ing mistakes like EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel did. And prepare yourself for this week, because Claythan is going to be blowing Orton all week and it's going to be ridiculous. Orton's having a very good year by his standards, but there's two major catches to his success: The Bills do not have a run game, and therefore depend on Orton for their offensive success. He is still Kyle Orton. That means you can expect Orton's effectiveness to evaporate like a Chiefs fan's hopes and dreams when he's under pressure. You can also expect him to struggle squeezing the ball into tight windows, which is why Orton has historically been terrible in the red zone. He's been better this year in the red zone, but still nobody's idea of a world beater. The primary reason he's been getting some success is because they have their own Percy Harvin, which we apparently struggle mightily with, named Sammie Watkins. This Watkins kid isn't the polished route-runner that Harvin is, but he's bigger and every bit as athletic. He can absolutely torch people, and the Chiefs need to have this asshole on lockdown. After that, they have several nice, adequate weapons in supporting roles. I've always really liked Scott Chandler at TE, and angled a few years back for the Chiefs to pick him up in FA. Mike Williams is a big WR who had a super productive year in Tampa and can still have a big catch from time to time, Robert Woods is a smooth route runner, and Marquise Goodwin is a re-ing-diculous speedster. At RB, it's a mess. Fred Jackson has missed time, and will probably be out. CJ Spiller is dead. Their lead RB, and this is true, is a guy named Boobie Dixon. Also known as Anthony Dixon, he was a 245 lbs, fatass plodder that the 49ers could never find use for. He's meh. They also have Bryce Brown, who is alright. I really like their OL, which is a reason Orton's been able to sling it fairly well. Cordy Glenn is a ridiculous monster athlete of a LT, but he's still learning and is very young. Seantrel Henderson is another extremely large, very athletic tackle at RT, just a great pair of gigantic athletes there. Erik Wood is a decent, capable center, nothing special, but I don't know much about how Cyril Richardson and Erik Pears are playing at guard. Maybe we've got some New Englanders here who can enlighten us. So that's a capable offense. But the defense is why they are 5-3. This defensive line is impossible. Mario Williams is not the game changer he once was, but he gets his off the edge. The middle of the DL is probably the best the NFL has to offer: Marcel Dareus and Kyle Williams are ing impossible. They disrupt anything and everything, and are ferocious against the pass (Dareus has SEVEN SACKS) and the run. Shit... is about to get real. Off the other edge they have Jerry Hughes, a former 1st round bust who is off pace to notch 11 sack this year. This DL is the worst. I don't know anything about Nigel Bradham at OLB, who apparently leads their team in tackles. Keith Rivers is injured again, so they play rookie Preston Brown at the other OLB spot -- Brown is not terribly athletic, but is a sound tackler. They have Brandon Spikes at ILB, the epitome of slow and heady. Expect a heavy dosage of Stephon Gilmore on Bowe. Gilmore is a physical, smart corner who is a true #1 CB. Leonis McKelvin is a former 1st round bust -- great athlete, but very average at the #2 CB position -- which is probably enough against our poverty receiving corps. Aaron Williams has been reborn as a very good safety in Buffalo after playing poorly as a CB early in his career. I don't know a damn thing about Da'Norris Searcy but his stats indicate a jack of all trades, and a master of none. This is one of those games you get up for, people. It's going to be a very intense week getting up for this game, and having to put up with Claynus' Orton-whoring this week won't make it much better. Let's win this **ing game.
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