Patriots @ Broncos - who wins?

[Mile High Mania]

Tex, Pasta, others... don't worry, this isn't a divisional preview.

Since the outcome of this game weighs heavy on some of your plans for KC running the table and supplanting Denver as the divisional winner, I figured I would start this thread to be the place for all the game chatter this week.

In another thread, Amnorix and I both have stated that neither of us expects our team to win this one... he gives NE a 50/50 chance thanks in large part to the OL and injuries. And, I get it. I had this pegged as a "very winnable" game with a healthy Peyton Manning, but that was well before 9 TD / 17 INT Manning reared his ugly head.

Brock gets the start and that's never a good thing for a young guy against this coach and that QB. Location and the Denver defense gives me reason for hope, but the Patriots have a sweet defense as well and as long as they have Tom Brady and the Gronk - they can win.

The Broncos should have Sanders back and offensively, they have a lot of options with DT, Sanders, Daniels, Davis, Hillman, Anderson (among others) - they're deep. Question is, how will the Patriots game plan to stop Kubiak's offense. It won't be a mystery really, but they don't have much to go on with Brock... however, they'll be ready and they'll give him fits.

And, they're still undefeated... they're a pretty good team. Overall, Brady is 5-5 vs Denver and has a losing record in Denver (I believe)... again, nothing more than just historical reference there.

I've gone back and forth on scores and while you can call it reverse mojo, it's not ... but I think the Patriots win this one 23-17.

I do think that Brock enters this game with less pressure than last week @ Chicago, only because it's my belief that the team 'hoped' they could win this game with a healthy Manning and that's not possible... so Brock, has lower expectations (hopefully).

So, since this is critical to KC's drive to reach 10/11 wins and knock Denver from the lead... what are the thoughts from the KC faithful?

Enjoy...

[ping2000]

0-0 tie with numerous injuries?

[Coochie liquor]

Pats.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

And, with Thanksgiving around the corner... I'll be away a bit. As should most of you, go find your family and friends and enjoy yourselves.

I can do one or the other.

Not both...

[OctoberFart]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

First, you seem to be suggesting that a LAW OF PHYSICS did NOT affect the Colts balls. Yeah, that makes sense! Did you even think of what you were saying before you said it?

Second, you won't bother, but here is a lengthy presentation by a Eagles fan, and MIT scientist, explaining how the Patriots balls were in line with the ideal gas law, and the Colts balls were higher due to the fact that the Patriots balls were tested first upon return to the locker room.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/jleonard...ate_final2.pdf


Since you won't read it, here's a portion of the summary:








Yeah, that was part of the point of the tuck rule. It was designed to REMOVE ambiguity and decision-making and "intent". That's why it existed in the first place. They subsequently eliminated the rule, but don't pretend that the Pats/Raiders playoff game is the only time it was ever called. It had been around for quite a while before then, and lasted for a good number of years afterwards.

Hatin' bitches gotta hate.

Patriot excuses run deep.

[Toby Waller]

ESPN Playoff machine...I would like to start a thread and link it but of course I cant .......

[TribalElder]

Cock Asswielder is gonna get crushed

[TimeForWasp]

Donkeys lose. Chiefs win the Division.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by OctoberFart

Patriot excuses run deep.

It's not called an excuse when you do it right.

It's called a reason...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by OctoberFart

Patriot excuses run deep.

Facts. They can be a pain in the ass.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Tex, Pasta, others... don't worry, this isn't a divisional preview.

Since the outcome of this game weighs heavy on some of your plans for KC running the table and supplanting Denver as the divisional winner, I figured I would start this thread to be the place for all the game chatter this week.

In another thread, Amnorix and I both have stated that neither of us expects our team to win this one... he gives NE a 50/50 chance thanks in large part to the OL and injuries. And, I get it. I had this pegged as a "very winnable" game with a healthy Peyton Manning, but that was well before 9 TD / 17 INT Manning reared his ugly head.

Brock gets the start and that's never a good thing for a young guy against this coach and that QB. Location and the Denver defense gives me reason for hope, but the Patriots have a sweet defense as well and as long as they have Tom Brady and the Gronk - they can win.

The Broncos should have Sanders back and offensively, they have a lot of options with DT, Sanders, Daniels, Davis, Hillman, Anderson (among others) - they're deep. Question is, how will the Patriots game plan to stop Kubiak's offense. It won't be a mystery really, but they don't have much to go on with Brock... however, they'll be ready and they'll give him fits.

And, they're still undefeated... they're a pretty good team. Overall, Brady is 5-5 vs Denver and has a losing record in Denver (I believe)... again, nothing more than just historical reference there.

I've gone back and forth on scores and while you can call it reverse mojo, it's not ... but I think the Patriots win this one 23-17.

I do think that Brock enters this game with less pressure than last week @ Chicago, only because it's my belief that the team 'hoped' they could win this game with a healthy Manning and that's not possible... so Brock, has lower expectations (hopefully).

So, since this is critical to KC's drive to reach 10/11 wins and knock Denver from the lead... what are the thoughts from the KC faithful?

Enjoy...

What usually happens when the Pats play a football game, especially against a team they're better than like the Broncos? Pats win.

[JD10367]

Patriots have very little hope of winning this game. They just almost lost, at home, to a team in the Bills that is much worse than Denver. The Broncos' D is better than Buffalo's, the Broncos' O is better than Buffalo's, the game is in the mile-high thin air, and one of the main weapons the Pats used against Buffalo (Danny Amendola) will either be out or useless. The Broncs will use the same game plan: double Gronk and then put 8 in the box to stuff the run and pressure Brady because there is no one to throw the ball to (even one on one, the Pats have no WRs so whoever they use--LaFell, whoever--will have no shot). The Pats can't run the ball without a threat of a passing game. If the Pats had another short yardage target they could move the ball, but the only pass catcher left is TE Chandler who has shown to be woefully inadequate for some reason (which is baffling, because he was pretty good before he got to New England but just can't hang onto the ball here). Because the Pats' D is pretty good they'll keep it close, but the Broncos will win an ugly game, something like 23-16.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Patriots have very little hope of winning this game. They just almost lost, at home, to a team in the Bills that is much worse than Denver. The Broncos' D is better than Buffalo's, the Broncos' O is better than Buffalo's, the game is in the mile-high thin air, and one of the main weapons the Pats used against Buffalo (Danny Amendola) will either be out or useless. The Broncs will use the same game plan: double Gronk and then put 8 in the box to stuff the run and pressure Brady because there is no one to throw the ball to (even one on one, the Pats have no WRs so whoever they use--LaFell, whoever--will have no shot). The Pats can't run the ball without a threat of a passing game. If the Pats had another short yardage target they could move the ball, but the only pass catcher left is TE Chandler who has shown to be woefully inadequate for some reason (which is baffling, because he was pretty good before he got to New England but just can't hang onto the ball here). Because the Pats' D is pretty good they'll keep it close, but the Broncos will win an ugly game, something like 23-16.

The one thing is that nobody spins the dial on those blitz packages like Rex. He has always had the ability to frustrate the crap out of Brady and the OLine in terms of blitz recognition and pickup, and even just bailing out on what looks like a blitz.

That isn't really a Wade Phillips thing, and not a thing that can be taught in a week I don't believe.

But yeah, low 20s for one team, teens for the other. Who wins? Who knows. A key play here or there, especially on special teams, could swing the entire game. I agree it will probably look pretty ugly.

(and if you're just doing the reverse jinx think, then cool. )

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

same to you. It appears I cant give reputation either

No 1 curr

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

The one thing is that nobody spins the dial on those blitz packages like Rex. He has always had the ability to frustrate the crap out of Brady and the OLine in terms of blitz recognition and pickup, and even just bailing out on what looks like a blitz.

Apparently the Bills only truly blitzed ten times and when they did Brady killed them. But Amendola was a large part of that.

On the bright side, a lot of the Pats' suckitude was due to the horrific Marcus Cannon at LT. Let's hope Belichick is done with that shit and puts Vollmer over there, which will help the O's production (not to mention save Brady's life).

[KCCHIEFS27]

Tom Brady is 5-1 against wade phillips as the d-coordinator. Lucky for the broncos I believe that osweiler us a damn good qb. Broncos win.