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Old 04-01-2014, 09:56 PM  
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DeSean Jackson Is Officially A Redskin
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:14 AM   #91
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Jay Gruden made Andy Dalton look good. He's going to make RG3 awesome. Especially now that he has Garçon, Jackson and Reed to throw to.
That's a sick set of playmakers that will take a lot of pressure off of RGIII if they all stay healthy.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:14 AM   #92
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People talk about this painful rebuild like we haven't been through it...TWICE...

In the last ****ing 8 years!

And we've got NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
We have nothing to show for it because pioli destroyed a team that was making great progress on the rebuild.

And people act like using free agency is something new to the chiefs. The chiefs have gone that route too and failed. And the vermeil core was a hell of a lot better than our core today.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:15 AM   #93
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Really, how did they miss on the hometown guy who grew up dreaming of playing for them, when they had infinity cap space?
Obviously the deal between Jackson and Kelly is personal.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:15 AM   #94
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This core group is good enough to win with.
"Good enough to win" what? A Super Bowl?

This core group was good enough to get to 11-5 (playing a weak schedule) and losing in the first round of the playoffs.

Now you take several key contributors away from that group and don't make any significant upgrades AND have to face a significantly tougher schedule next season... that is the recipe for 7-9 (at best).
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:16 AM   #95
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We have nothing to show for it because pioli destroyed a team that was making great progress on the rebuild.
Well, we've done it before that too.

There's really no need to cherry pick when you have 40 years of failure as a reference guide.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:18 AM   #96
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"Good enough to win" what? A Super Bowl?

This core group was good enough to get to 11-5 (playing a weak schedule) and losing in the first round of the playoffs.

Now you take several key contributors away from that group and don't make any significant upgrades AND have to face a significantly tougher schedule next season... that is the recipe for 7-9 (at best).
Agreed.

Let's just win a playoff game before we really start to disillusion ourselves.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:21 AM   #97
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You're comparing our team to two dynasties? Two teams with hall of fame qbs? Outside of Charles and Hali, our aging core is not as good as we make them out to be. They are players who need to support playmakers, not a core of guys who can carry the team on their back.

How can you call dj core when he anchored a defense that imploded? How can you call Bowe core when our receivers looked flat all of last year? How can you call flowers core when he's basically been demoted to play nickel? These are the guys we are supposed to go all in on?
Who was the best at his position for the Ravens won?
Is Joe Flacco a HoF QB?

And Flowers wasn't demoted.
He was moved because he was far more suited than Smith and Cooper.

That defense imploded because of 3 glaring holes that coould have been easily filled with 2 FAs and a draft pick.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:23 AM   #98
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Well, we've done it before that too.

There's really no need to cherry pick when you have 40 years of failure as a reference guide.
I am just saying that the idea that rebuilding hasn't worked has to also factor in that loading up in free agency hasn't worked either. And in the case of the vermeil years, it led to such a roster and cap mess, it took years and drastic measures to fix.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:23 AM   #99
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Who was the best at his position for the Ravens won?
Is Joe Flacco a HoF QB?

And Flowers wasn't demoted.
He was moved because he was far more suited than Smith and Cooper.

That defense imploded because of 3 glaring holes that coould have been easily filled with 2 FAs and a draft pick.
We're going to fill them all through the draft. Without a 2nd round pick.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:24 AM   #100
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What's even better about that thread is how many people:

1) Used the contract/bidding war angle as an excuse for the Chiefs to not sign him

2) Used the alleged "gang ties" as an excuse for the Chiefs to not sign him
I am not going to call the Chiefs cheap because they have spent alot of money in the last couple of years but there was no way they were going to give Jackson $16 million guaranteed money.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:24 AM   #101
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I am just saying that the idea that rebuilding hasn't worked has to also factor in that loading up in free agency hasn't worked either. And in the ass of the vermeil years, it led to such a roster and cap mess, it took years and drastic measures to fix.
Why does anybody care?

Everybody is SO worried about protecting the future. Guess what? The future ****ing sucks too!
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A rebuild is the right idea if you don't have idiots making the draft picks. Unfortunately, that's what we had after they put Carl out to pasture. You don't need to stop rebuilding, you need to stop hiring idiots.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:29 AM   #103
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Who was the best at his position for the Ravens won?
Is Joe Flacco a HoF QB?

And Flowers wasn't demoted.
He was moved because he was far more suited than Smith and Cooper.

That defense imploded because of 3 glaring holes that coould have been easily filled with 2 FAs and a draft pick.
If you really think we are a few players away, more power to you. I think we have a very long way to go. We don't have depth and our core guys aren't as good as we think they are.

As for the Ravens, last time I checked, their core was incredibly successful in the playoffs prior to winning a Super Bowl. Before last year, they were carrying Flacco to playoff wins.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:30 AM   #104
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A rebuild is the right idea if you don't have idiots making the draft picks. Unfortunately, that's what we had after they put Carl out to pasture. You don't need to stop rebuilding, you need to stop hiring idiots.
Well, this regime started off on the right foot then.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:33 AM   #105
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A rebuild is the right idea if you don't have idiots making the draft picks. Unfortunately, that's what we had after they put Carl out to pasture. You don't need to stop rebuilding, you need to stop hiring idiots.
I would rather take my chances and hope Dorsey isn't an idiot to build the team the right way than take the safe route of going all in on a roster that even with a few extra guys is a big Long shot to win the super bowl. Just me, of course. We've seen this dance before. We plug holes with expensive free agents, they disappoint, we end up in year three with a roster and cap situation that is a complete shit show. I'm through with that approach too.
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