-- Alex Smith is now better than Peyton Manning

[Simply Red]

I think it's obvious now, we now have the better QB - can't wait until next season!

Had we had the honor of playing them again after week 15 - we'd have won.

We will sweep these clowns next season - Smith > Manning now.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Montana in 93...

elaborate for a friend?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

elaborate for a friend?

In 93 Montana had no real WR's, a solid line, Allen, and a strong D.

The first game of the year we murdered the hapless Bucs and then $2it got real.

Montana took some of the most mediocre WR's ever to the AFCC Game...

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Rausch

In 93 Montana had no real WR's, a solid line, Allen, and a strong D.

The first game of the year we murdered the hapless Bucs and then $2it got real.

Montana took some of the most mediocre WR's ever to the AFCC Game...

Ah... well first thought is... comparing THE greatest QB ever to.. Alex?

Second thought is.. Montana had lots of very good except for WR, yes?

So to fairly compare... Smith had lots of very good except for WR?

just losing you on your example... I get that Montana "elevated his mediocre WRs"... but he did so with a.. as you said.. solid OL and strong D.

Smith was clearly missing the solid OL... which is kind of important.

[Sandy Vagina]

^ had to edit that.. might be more clear now.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Clutch Gene is proud

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Ah... well first thought is... comparing THE greatest QB ever to.. Alex?

Second thought is.. Montana had lots of very good except for WR, yes?

So to fairly compare... Smith had lots of very good except for WR?

just losing you on your example... I get that Montana "elevated his mediocre WRs"... but he did so with a.. as you said.. solid OL and strong D.

Smith was clearly missing the solid OL... which is kind of important.

I never compared the 2.

I was asked to elaborate on the ability for a QB to "elevate the talent around them."

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We created the perfect storm of suck with a tentative QB, a ****ING DOG$3IT O line, and by far the most disgusting WR's in the league.

And we're all talking about how the game manager QB we signed isn't putting up respectable numbers...

This.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by dls6501

Because it's bullshit. I watched 2/3s of the video and there wasnt a single pass from the past few years. Alex threw a good deep pass when he was younger, but it was accompanied by a ton of mistakes and errant passes.

Now, since he has decided that ball security is the most important thing, he doesn't throw these passes anymore. So the only myth is that he still attempts these passes. He doesn't.

The myth is that he CAN'T throw these passes, not that he won't. Clearly he can. He hasn't thrown many in the last two years. Some continue the argument that he has a noodle arm and CAN'T throw them. I tend to think it's a combination of playing conservative football with a strong Defense, combined with one of the leagues worst offensive lines, and one of the leagues worst receiving core's. Fix those two things and then see if Smith opens it up a little.

What we do know, is that when the defense started struggling in the later part of the 2013 season, and the offensive line improved - the offense opened up.

Then we went and completely dismantled that improving offensive line and made the most minor of adjustments to the receiving unit. Before the season, everyone was talking about what a miracle it will be if Smith just survives the season without injury. Then WR2 gets injured and misses most of the season and we are left with Bowe and Jenkins/Hammond/etc. And the only thing anyone can focus on is "What's wrong with the QB?" I don't get it.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I never compared the 2.

I was asked to elaborate on the ability for a QB to "elevate the talent around them."

Okay.. not looking to get you agitated. Just an add on type of question..

Could Smith have "elevated" his WRs had he been given a solid OL as Montana had?

[temper11]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

2009-2013
http://regressing.deadspin.com/chart...nfl-1469917039

When KC has good 2nd level options and non crap pass protection...
AND THEN Smith is not at the NFL Avg of 12% the complaints should come pouring in.

This.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He's not going to drag us down and he's not good enough to elevate anyone around him.

He is what he is.

Instead of supporting his strengths we magnified his weaknesses...

I don't really understand the... he elevates everyone around him schtick. I do know that if he wasn't as mobile as he is, and if he doesn't throw the ball away as much as he does when the pocket completely collapses, the line would look a whole hell of alot worse than it already does. But we already know he's a pretty dang accurate passer - so the receiver either drops it or catches it. I don't know how he can affect that.

But I will agree that he is what he is. I don't think he's hall of fame talent or anything. I just think he's a smart, quality QB that doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, no matter how much they deserve it, and does his very best to win every snap.

I think the niners receiving core would be perfect for Smith. We don't need Calvin Johnson. We don't need a super speed guy that is going to run 9's all day. Boldin and Crabtree find zone's in the medium range, get a step of seperation and make the catches that should be caught. That's what Smith needs. We should try to mirror that core with similar guys. Kelce is fine, although needs to hold onto the ball... and I'd replace Fasano with McGrath if we could convince him to come out of retirement. DAT will continue to get more comfortable with the playbook. Charles goes without saying. That would be the ideal backfield for Smith IMO.