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[Three7s]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The defense at full or close to fill strength looked excellent against Philip rivers. They held their own against Andrew luck. The defense has not been bad after the bye week. Peyton manning embarrassed the chiefs d. He embarrasses a lot of teams.

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Three7s

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

You don't even have to get to the Raiders. Rivers threw for almost 400 yards against the Chiefs. Denver exposed the defense. When K.C. couldn't get to Manning, Flowers couldn't stop Welker and Cooper couldn't stop anyone. That gave everyone the way to beat the Chiefs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You don't even have to get to the Raiders. Rivers threw for almost 400 yards against the Chiefs. Denver exposed the defense. When K.C. couldn't get to Manning, Flowers couldn't stop Welker and Cooper couldn't stop anyone. That gave everyone the way to beat the Chiefs.

Rivers threw almost all of his yards on a Chiefs' defense that doesn't have the depth to lose their two most critical players. This defense is obviously going to suck big time without Hali and Houston. Rivers was knocked around a lot when we had both or just one of those guys on our D.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Three7s

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

I don't care nearly as much about how many points the D gave up in a game where we scored 35 points in one half. To me, the only games that mattered since the bye were Denver twice, SD, and Indy. The Chiefs played solid enough D against Denver in game 1. They played exceptional defense in the first half against an explosive offense, then collapsed when they lost both Hali and Houston. They played very good defense against Indy. With Houston in San Diego our D probably could have looked at least average. Against Indy, we could have went from good to excellent.

The post bye week D hasn't been nearly as bad as we've made it sound. I don't think we're going to stop Peyton Manning or Brady in the playoffs. But is that really what we're shooting for in year 1 of a new regime?

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't care nearly as much about how many points the D gave up in a game where we scored 35 points in one half. To me, the only games that mattered since the bye were Denver twice, SD, and Indy. The Chiefs played solid enough D against Denver in game 1. They played exceptional defense in the first half against an explosive offense, then collapsed when they lost both Hali and Houston. They played very good defense against Indy. With Houston in San Diego our D probably could have looked at least average. Against Indy, we could have went from good to excellent.

The post bye week D hasn't been nearly as bad as we've made it sound. I don't think we're going to stop Peyton Manning or Brady in the playoffs. But is that really what we're shooting for in year 1 of a new regime?

You're saying it doesn't matter that the Chiefs were up 35-10 and the Raiders scored 3 unanswered TDs to make it a game due to a defensive collapse? Face it, that performance was 2003 all over again. Who cares about the margin of victory?

[Mav]

passing league, dominated by the NFL's love of offense, the inability to touch anyone now days, and the refs habit of swallowing their whistles, and losing of their flags whenever, *which is damn near every play* tamba hali is placed into a rear naked choke.

Those things add up.

Oh, and Kendrick Lewis.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Three7s

You're saying it doesn't matter that the Chiefs were up 35-10 and the Raiders scored 3 unanswered TDs to make it a game due to a defensive collapse? Face it, that performance was 2003 all over again. Who cares about the margin of victory?

It's common for defenses to start giving up a lot of points when you're up by a lot. I think people are making way too big a deal of their defensive play against Oakland. I care more about their poor performance against Buffalo and Cleveland, which were two close games. Or the second half of the second Denver game. That, to me, is much more representative of a defense forced to make critical stops but just couldn't.