Rosen is considering pulling an Eli if the Browns want him

[Quesadilla Joe]

If Darnold pulls the same thing the #1 pick could be up for grabs...

Josh Rosen prefers Giants over Browns, would hesitate to enter draft if Cleveland commits to him

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UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen would prefer to play for the Giants over the Browns and would be hesitant to come out in next year's NFL draft if he knew that Cleveland was going to take him with the No. 1 overall pick, according to league sources familiar with the situation.

This is hardly the first time that a player has expressed concern about landing in Cleveland, though that will not dissuade new Browns general manager John Dorsey from taking the player he believes is the best fit for his franchise.

Privately, Rosen has expressed concern about winding up in Cleveland and would rather be with a more stable franchise, such as the Giants.

Rosen plans to sit down with his parents after the Cactus Bowl for a "serious conversation" before making a final decision about whether to turn pro. Whether Cleveland has the No. 1 overall pick could influence his decision, according to a source.

The Browns (0-14) can secure the top overall pick Sunday with a loss to the Chicago Bears or a victory by the Giants (2-12) over the Arizona Cardinals. New York would clinch no worse than the No. 2 pick with losses in each of its last two games.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/st...nd-commits-him

Dorsey is in a tough spot. I don't think Smith would be an option for him because I doubt Dorsey or KC would want to do a deal with each other, and Smith probably won't want to go to Cleveland either.

His only option could be giving Cousins $100M guaranteed or something.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat

The idea of creating yet another rule to change the NFL, based on exactly two occurances in the last 43 years, encompassing more than 12,500 players, is ****ing stupid.

Sorry, I should have said dumb as ****.

So there you have it.

Dumb as ****.

[CoMoChief]

It's his life. Not ours.

I can't say I really blame him. Can you..honestly?

Playing for the Browns, and living in the shithole that is Cleveland OH, would be a god damn nightmare.

There's a reason why very few "good" prime FA's dont go to cities like DET or CLE. It's where player careers go to die. ESPECIALLY qb's. I don't need to show you the list. And don't give me the "Well John Dorsey..." BULLLLLLLLSHIT. The list doesn't need to be shown here. Qb's are doomed to fail there as soon as their name is called up on the draft day stage and they hold that Browns jersey up.

I see no prob w/ this at all. If I as Rosen I'd simply tell haters to shove it.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I disagree. They're sitting on a #1 and #4 pick. If I'm the browns, I'd roll with Alex Smith and develop the hell out of your first round qb. They've passed up on too many franchise draft picks to do it again.

Disagree completely.

They have a lot of pieces in place and they really just suffer from terrible coaching and QB play. The Browns will go 0-16 next week and half of the problem will be gone.

Ben likely going to retire after this year, the Ravens are a .500 club and the Bengals are a gigantic question mark.

Installing Kirk Cousins with Gordon, Colema and Njoku as targets behind a decent line and a better RB makes them an overnight contender for the AFC North.

Those poor ****ing fans deserve a winner immediately. Not a bunch of horizontal passing.

[Rams Fan]

I still say trading for Smith makes 0 sense.

Keep Kizer. Let him start until the drafted guy is ready.

Trust The Process.

[eDave]

Mahomes is going to wish he had pulled the same move.








I kid. I kid.

[Red Dawg]

Cleveland us suckage. Get a legit coach and it will change. Pony up the coin for a proven winner and picks won't say this. Jackson sucks and is not that guy. Good luck Dorsey. He is climbing a mountain in that town.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The idea of creating yet another rule to change the NFL, based on exactly two occurances in the last 43 years, encompassing more than 12,500 players, is ****ing stupid.

Sorry, I should have said dumb as ****.

So there you have it.

Dumb as ****.

When does it become the norm though?

[BryanBusby]

I liked Kizer in the draft last year, but knew he would be an absolute disaster if the Browns started him at all as a rookie.

That's exactly what the Browns did and Hue made sure his confidence was totally gone. They ruined him and need to let him rebound elsewhere.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Disagree completely.

They have a lot of pieces in place and they really just suffer from terrible coaching and QB play. The Browns will go 0-16 next week and half of the problem will be gone.

Ben likely going to retire after this year, the Ravens are a .500 club and the Bengals are a gigantic question mark.

Installing Kirk Cousins with Gordon, Colema and Njoku as targets behind a decent line and a better RB makes them an overnight contender for the AFC North.

Those poor ****ing fans deserve a winner immediately. Not a bunch of horizontal passing.

If you think you have that many weapons and that you're set for a very long window, would you rather bring in a retread like Kirk Cousins or would you want to use your top 5 pick on a QBOTF? Cousins will want to go somewhere where he's guaranteed a starting job for years because if the browns don't give it to him, somebody will. Alex Smith is a 1-2 year rental until your QBOTF is ready.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I liked Kizer in the draft last year, but knew he would be an absolute disaster if the Browns started him at all as a rookie.

That's exactly what the Browns did and Hue made sure his confidence was totally gone. They ruined him and need to let him rebound elsewhere.

Honestly, I don't think Kessler or Kizer are garbage.

The Browns are just the Browns and are a flaming trash heap.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you think you have that many weapons and that you're set for a very long window, would you rather bring in a retread like Kirk Cousins or would you want to use your top 5 pick on a QBOTF? Cousins will want to go somewhere where he's guaranteed a starting job for years because if the browns don't give it to him, somebody will. Alex Smith is a 1-2 year rental until your QBOTF is ready.

You don't do either. You start either Kizer or Kessler until the new guy is ready. Bringing in Smith or someone of his ilk makes absolutely no sense.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I still say trading for Smith makes 0 sense.

Keep Kizer. Let him start until the drafted guy is ready.

Trust The Process.

The best thing the Browns can do is to make one playoff to give the city and the franchise something to be excited about. Alex Smith can deliver that. Kizer can't. You already have a draft prospect declaring he doesn't want to go to Cleveland. How do you think free agents feel? Last year, Jacksonville lost a ton of the free agents they wanted because they thought the franchise was a mess and so they had a ton of unused cap space. Alex Smith can bring stability to the franchise and he can do it right away, all while helping Dorsey smoothly transition to his offensive system and hire a coach that fits what he's used to (which will most likely be West Coast).

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The best thing the Browns can do is to make one playoff to give the city and the franchise something to be excited about. Alex Smith can deliver that. Kizer can't. You already have a draft prospect declaring he doesn't want to go to Cleveland. How do you think free agents feel? Last year, Jacksonville lost a ton of the free agents they wanted because they thought the franchise was a mess and so they had a ton of unused cap space. Alex Smith can bring stability to the franchise and he can do it right away, all while helping Dorsey smoothly transition to his offensive system and hire a coach that fits what he's used to (which will most likely be West Coast).

Money always talks.

While making the playoffs would be nice next season, realistically, showing any signs of progress will likely be enough to make the fanbase excited.

Getting a temporary guy who has no long term plans in being there, even to be a backup, doesn't make sense. Start Kizer or Kessler until the new guy is ready and get rid of the guy who shows he can't play and keep the one who can as the backup.

I don't know if Hue is at fault and I don't know how much of it falls on Sashi Brown and Haslam. But the Browns are in a huge ****ing predicament regardless. You can't sell keeping Hue to the fanbase aside from a stability stand point.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Honestly, I don't think Kessler or Kizer are garbage.

The Browns are just the Browns and are a flaming trash heap.

Kessler is bottom tier and Kizer shouldn't see a field for at least one full year, under a good coach.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Honestly, I don't think Kessler or Kizer are garbage.

The Browns are just the Browns and are a flaming trash heap.



You don't do either. You start either Kizer or Kessler until the new guy is ready. Bringing in Smith or someone of his ilk makes absolutely no sense.

That would be a disaster. You know how many starting QBs the Browns have had since 2000? 27. That's almost 2 QBs per year. You know how many first rounders they've drafted in that time that have busted spectacularly bad? Four: Couch, Quinn, Weeden, Manziel.

You can't sell Browns fans on another losing season. You can't sell Browns fans on yet another first round pick at QB. Alex Smith can make the franchise respectable immediately which will put a lot less pressure on whomever they draft this year to be a franchise savior. I'm close with many Browns fans. They are ecstatic about getting Alex Smith and they know exactly what he is and his limitations. They just want one good season to feel good about.

The Browns have enough talent that especially with $70-100M in cap space (whatever they have), they can make the playoffs with Alex Smith. Very good offensive line, solid receivers, solid tight end, and an ascending defense under Gregg Williams. Trade for Alex then groom a new QB. The worst possible thing you could do is sell the fans on another year of Kizer. And given that Dorsey has boldly said they'll compete immediately, it doesn't look like he wants to do that either.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Kessler is bottom tier and Kizer shouldn't see a field for at least one full year, under a good coach.

I think the entire atmosphere just needs to change in Cleveland and I don't know how you easily fix that with losing for the better of now almost 2 decades.

I think there's some talent on that roster, but it isn't as much of an easy fix as say like McVay taking over for Fisher.