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View Poll Results: Should the Chiefs Hire A GM or HC first?
Hire a GM first 70 77.78%
Hire a Head Coach first 13 14.44%
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:56 AM   #1
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This team not drafting a QB, or winning a playoff game in 20 years, isn't the same.
I would argue it is.

Bad teams with franchise QB's have knocked us out of the playoffs every year going back to 94...

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Since 1983, we've had only 2 owners and 3 GMs. That's too small a sample size to call it a "trend".
You can't be ****ing serious.

30 years is too small a sample size?...

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On the other hand, you can take the history of EVERY team and EVERY coach over the course of nearly a century - that's a sample size in the thousands - and not find a single coach that has won a championship with 2 different teams.
Parcells Won a SB.
Won an AFCC game (Patriots.) That's two champ games in two different conferences.
Then took the Jets to the AFCC game.

At this hour I'm not sure about the chronological order there but you get the point...
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #2
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I would argue it is.

Bad teams with franchise QB's have knocked us out of the playoffs every year going back to 94...
Yep. THAT is the historical trend. History suggests we should draft a franchise QB if we want to win in the playoffs.

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You can't be ****ing serious.

30 years is too small a sample size?...
30 years with ONE owner. That's not a historical trend, that's a behavioral issue.

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Parcells Won a SB.
Won an AFCC game (Patriots.) That's two champ games in two different conferences.
Then took the Jets to the AFCC game.

At this hour I'm not sure about the chronological order there but you get the point...
And I'm sure Patriot and Jets fans were perfectly happy with Parcells NOT winning a Super Bowl there. Our goal isn't to make it to an AFC Championship game. Hell, Marty did that. Let's bring him back.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:07 AM   #3
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30 years with ONE owner. That's not a historical trend, that's a behavioral issue.
Two.

And we don't get to draft or sign a new one of those...

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And I'm sure Patriot and Jets fans were perfectly happy with Parcells NOT winning a Super Bowl there. Our goal isn't to make it to an AFC Championship game. Hell, Marty did that. Let's bring him back.
I would JIMP if we made an AFCC game at this point.

This team is a joke on the level of the Lions, Browns, or Seahawks.

We need a HC with lofty goals and practical applications...
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:14 AM   #4
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Two.

And we don't get to draft or sign a new one of those...
The current owner learned everything he knows about football from the former owner. There's no clean break in philosophy there - at least not yet.

The point is that what we've done in the past is not a historical trend. There aren't enough data points. If you want to discuss what we've done in relativity to the rest of the league, when it comes to drafting and developing QBs, then we can talk about historical trends. This team constitutes one large, 30-year data point in that analysis and it's not flattering for sure.

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I would JIMP if we made an AFCC game at this point.

This team is a joke on the level of the Lions, Browns, or Seahawks.

We need a HC with lofty goals and practical applications...
In same ways I understand that mindset and that's fine for the fans. However, in the end, the goal is to win it all.
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