Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** - Page 2

**BigRedChief** · 05:00 PM

2011 World Series Championship
2012 NLCS. One win from another WS appearance.
2013 World Series. Two wins from another World Series Championship
2014 NLCS. Three wins from another WS appearance
2015 Central Division title. Won 100 games. Lost in the NLDS.

Made the postseason 11 times in the last 15 seasons.
Only 1 losing season since 2000.
Reached the World Series 4 times since 2004 and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
Made the NLCS 9 times including the last 4 years 2011-2014
Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
65 post season wins since 2004. 22+ wins more than any other team.

**BigRedChief** · 10-13-2015, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I wonder who starts game 5 for the Cardinals if they win tonight. Do they have the balls to throw Wainwright out there for 5 or so innings and just have him stand at the plate?

It will be Garcia with a short leash and a prayer of no meltdown.

Hootie · 10-13-2015, 07:54 AM

I wouldn't say 4:1 ... I'd put the cubs more at 65% ... But if it gets back to STL ... Even with the favorable pitcher on the mound ... That's a tall order for a young team

Swanman · 10-13-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It will be Garcia with a short leash and a prayer of no meltdown.

And hopefully no tummy aches for poor widdle Jaime.

DJ's left nut · 10-13-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Wacha getting squeezed?

Good God.

The takeaway isn't how the pitches were called - it's the location of the pitches themselves.

You can't live in the middle of the strike zone like that. That looks like a full 1/3 of his pitches were in cripple pitch territory.

Though ultimately I do think we can conclude that the TBS strike zone was a bad one. Looks like the zone was actually called quite well.

**BigRedChief** · 10-13-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Good God.

The takeaway isn't how the pitches were called - it's the location of the pitches themselves.

You can't live in the middle of the strike zone like that. That looks like a full 1/3 of his pitches were in cripple pitch territory.

Though ultimately I do think we can conclude that the TBS strike zone was a bad one. Looks like the zone was actually called quite well.

The TBS did look off. Wacha is more than tired. Arm angle, trying the curve too much I'm no expert.

He has to locate that fastball to set up the change. Thats what made him so successful in 2013.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-13-2015, 09:13 AM

Wacha's location was the problem, not the calls. The wind didn't help (see Heyward's severe wind aided pop up homer off Jesus Arrieta), but some of the ones they hit off him were pretty damn legit bombs.

DJ's left nut · 10-13-2015, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The TBS did look off. Wacha is more than tired. Arm angle, trying the curve too much I'm no expert.

He has to locate that fastball to set up the change. Thats what made him so successful in 2013.

Well shit, he has to at least try throwing the change on occasion.

The HR he gave to Bryant was off his 6th straight fastball. The 2nd time through the order he actually had that change working a bit; was slowly lulling them into the rocking chair and looking like he might settle in.

Then he just quit on the change altogether. It's been a theme of his this season; he's simply gotten away from his changeup and appears to have completely lost the feel for it. It's a legitimate putaway pitch and yet he seems to favor that inconsistent, rolling-ass curveball of his these days.

O.city · 10-13-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well shit, he has to at least try throwing the change on occasion.

The HR he gave to Bryant was off his 6th straight fastball. The 2nd time through the order he actually had that change working a bit; was slowly lulling them into the rocking chair and looking like he might settle in.

Then he just quit on the change altogether. It's been a theme of his this season; he's simply gotten away from his changeup and appears to have completely lost the feel for it. It's a legitimate putaway pitch and yet he seems to favor that inconsistent, rolling-ass curveball of his these days.

I've actually thought his curve has improved a little this year, but he's tried to throw a cutter more for some stupid ass reason.

Fastball, change and curve. End.

O.city · 10-13-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Wacha's location was the problem, not the calls. The wind didn't help (see Heyward's severe wind aided pop up homer off Jesus Arrieta), but some of the ones they hit off him were pretty damn legit bombs.

So Heyward cuts one into a left to right wind for an oppo homer, but it's wind aided.

I'm at the point where I don't care if it cripples the franchise, give Heyward 200 mil just so I can tell you to **** yourself everyday

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-13-2015, 09:34 AM

What did he do with the game on the line ?

Can't wait for another half dozen years of empty stats. 200 million for a 12 HR 60 Ribbie clean up man FTW!

DJ's left nut · 10-13-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So Heyward cuts one into a left to right wind for an oppo homer, but it's wind aided.

I'm at the point where I don't care if it cripples the franchise, give Heyward 200 mil just so I can tell you to **** yourself everyday

Yeah, that shot was not wind-aided. Balls to RF had the wind behind them but Heywards was actually cutting through the wind.

I've said it all year, I have no idea why you'd ever throw him a pitch on the outer third. The guy has so much natural power that if you extend his arms for him, he'll hit one out on accident.

Of course his approach is so ****ed up that he's a 12 HR hitter because he refuses to simply open up and turn on a ball, but that's not terribly germane to this particular conversation.

O.city · 10-13-2015, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, that shot was not wind-aided. Balls to RF had the wind behind them but Heywards was actually cutting through the wind.

I've said it all year, I have no idea why you'd ever throw him a pitch on the outer third. The guy has so much natural power that if you extend his arms for him, he'll hit one out on accident.

Of course his approach is so ****ed up that he's a 12 HR hitter because he refuses to simply open up and turn on a ball, but that's not terribly germane to this particular conversation.

He goes thru stretches where he's pulling it sith power, but it last for a series. Maddening.

O.city · 10-13-2015, 09:37 AM

Alot of it looks like the typical Mabry approach to me dj. Let it travel as far as you can before commiting. He never gets to one out in front of the plate.

Pasta Little Brioni · 10-13-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He goes thru stretches where he's pulling it sith power, but it last for a series. Maddening.

Yes yes let the hate flow through you O

O.city · 10-13-2015, 09:39 AM

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I wouldn't say 4:1 ... I'd put the cubs more at 65% ... But if it gets back to STL ... Even with the favorable pitcher on the mound ... That's a tall order for a young team
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2634064	Alot of it looks like the typical Mabry approach to me dj. Let it travel as far as you can before commiting. He never gets to one out in front of the plate.
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