NFLN Top 100 Players of 2016 starts tonight. Which Chiefs make it?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

100-91 starts at 7pm Arrowhead time. I love this show, every year it's one of my favorites. Really gives a good insight to player opinions around the league. With all that said, who do you see making the list for us this year? Last year, we had Jamaal Charles (12), Justin Houston (27, criminally low after 22 sack season), Jeremy Maclin (61, after signing), and Tamba Hali (70).

I'll predict that this year making the player's list will be....

Charles (he'll make it, trust me)
Maclin
Kelce
Houston
Hali
DJ
Peters
Berry

That's 8 for me, which would likely be tied for the most or 2nd most in the league amongst teams...

Thus far:

Justin Houston:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Justin-Houston

Eric Berry: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-55-Eric-Berry

Marcus Peters: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Marcus-Peters

Jamaal Charles: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...Jamaal-Charles

Derrick Johnson: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...errick-Johnson

Alex Smith: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-81-Alex-Smith

Tamba Hali: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-84-Tamba-Hali

Travis Kelce: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...1-Travis-Kelce

Jeremy Maclin: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100...-Jeremy-Maclin

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Did you even look at those teams? Saints, Bucs, and Titans?

He also had 5 games with 2+ INT's, and 12 games with at least 1. Not to mention he was under 60% in 9 games and on the season, with two games under 50%. He put up some big #'s against shit competiton throwing to one of the best duos in the NFL, but he was absolutely awful in some games. The Chiefs don't even make the playoffs with Bortles as their QB in 2015.

Yea that's the point, Jags defense couldnt stop even the Saints, Bucs, Titans, teams you are suppose to beat/stop.

Chiefs stomp those teams with Alex Smith, because of our defenses ability to beat up on the bad teams and/or generate stops.

Bortles doesn't have that. He has to carry his team on his back, thus his entire team will vote for him, because he is far and away the best player on the Jags.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Yea that's the point, Jags defense couldnt stop even the Saints, Bucs, Titans, teams you are suppose to beat/stop.

Chiefs stomp those teams with Alex Smith, because of our defenses ability to beat up on the bad teams and/or generate stops.

Bortles doesn't have that. He has to carry his team on his back, thus his entire team will vote for him, because he is far and away the best player on the Jags.

That has nothing to do with those teams defenses. All 3 are among the worst, and not much better than the Jags. You can't just ignore those other #'s I posted though. Some of those stats are really bad.

Also, he has two WR's (also in that top 100) that make up one of the best duos in the NFL. You can't ignore that either.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That has nothing to do with those teams defenses. All 3 are among the worst, and not much better than the Jags. You can't just ignore those other #'s I posted though. Some of those stats are really bad.

Also, he has two WR's (also in that top 100) that make up one of the best duos in the NFL. You can't ignore that either.

If your QB throws 3, 4, 5 touchdowns in a game, your team should really win it.

Chiefs have Alex Smith throwing 1 or 2 in a game and they win by 20 points sometimes. Alex threw 0 touchdowns in a game last year and the Chiefs won 33-3.

Bortles does not have that luxory. Yes 18 picks is a lot, yes 14 fumbles is a lot. Bortles should take care of the ball, but he's more Brett Favre. But the games I pointed out he really played as best as you could and his team let him down.

Alex Smith had 1 game like that in a Chiefs uniform against Indy in the playoffs and the defense let him down and this place still hasn't forgotten it. Can you imagine if that happened multiple times a season like it does with the Jaguars?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

If your QB throws 3, 4, 5 touchdowns in a game, your team should really win it.

Chiefs have Alex Smith throwing 1 or 2 in a game and they win by 20 points sometimes. Alex threw 0 touchdowns in a game last year and the Chiefs won 33-3.

Bortles does not have that luxory. Yes 18 picks is a lot, yes 14 fumbles is a lot. Bortles should take care of the ball, but he's more Brett Favre. But the games I pointed out he really played as best as you could and his team let him down.

Alex Smith had 1 game like that in a Chiefs uniform against Indy in the playoffs and the defense let him down and this place still hasn't forgotten it. Can you imagine if that happened multiple times a season like it does with the Jaguars?

I'll take Alex Smith's average stats, consistency, efficiency, and accuracy over Bortle's inaccuracy and gaudy stats over Bortles big stats, inconsistency, inefficiency, and inaccuracy with this team all day.

Until Bortles shows significant improvement, he is not the type of QB you can win a SB with. He would not get it done against the best defenses in the NFL with what he's shown. He couldn't even get it done against Houston's D, imagine this year when he has to play our division. There's a good chance he regresses this year.

Keep in mind, he had 10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in football last year.

Like I said, I loved this guy coming out. I think he will get there, but he might have to go backwards to move forward. This year will be a great learning experience.

[Urc Burry]

As its been stated before this is the top 100 going into the 2016 season. Even so Bortles is already better than Alex Smith has ever been. I don't even think it's arguable. He's had a better year than Alex has ever had in his second year with a dog shit oline, no run game, and 2 2nd year receivers (who are studs, though... Especially Robinson). It might take a little more time since they mainly addressed the defense this offseason, but Bortles is going to be elite sooner, rather than later. Take the shades off

[ThaVirus]

Hah! I called Bortles like a mother****er.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I haven't actually watched the show but saw something about it on social media. Carr was ranked #100 and Luck #92, IIRC. People are also saying 15 QBs made the list.

So I was just trying to fill in the blanks. Bortles will be on it for sure. So will Romo. Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Cousins! I had forgotten about him. Yeah, he could definitely get the nod with his age. He's got potential.

I'm still sticking to my Bortles guns though. I think he'll make it.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Bortles threw 35 TDs last season and that Jaguars offense is on the come up.

Negrodamus.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

As its been stated before this is the top 100 going into the 2016 season. Even so Bortles is already better than Alex Smith has ever been. I don't even think it's arguable. He's had a better year than Alex has ever had in his second year with a dog shit oline, no run game, and 2 2nd year receivers (who are studs, though... Especially Robinson). It might take a little more time since they mainly addressed the defense this offseason, but Bortles is going to be elite sooner, rather than later. Take the shades off

[staylor26]

Just to give you guys an idea how ridiculous it is to say Bortles is already better than Alex Smith, let's take out Bortles big games against the Titans, Saints, and Bucs and what do you have?

13 other games: 25 TD's, 15 INT's. Under 60%.

Stop looking at just season totals to base your opinions. If you're gonna be a stat whore at least look a little deeper.

[O.city]

It's also just his 2nd year in the league and he was plus 10 there. That's not bad. It's different than our qb though.

But Bortles isn't asked to just manage it like smith is. Possibly because he can't but he's asked to be more aggressive and sling it around. Turnovers happen and the guys who can sling it like that and not turn it over are your manning and rodgers.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's also just his 2nd year in the league and he was plus 10 there. That's not bad. It's different than our qb though.

But Bortles isn't asked to just manage it like smith is. Possibly because he can't but he's asked to be more aggressive and sling it around. Turnovers happen and the guys who can sling it like that and not turn it over are your manning and rodgers.

25 TD's/15 INT's and under 60% in 13 games just isn't getting it done. You guys are looking at the totals. Look deeper.

10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in the NFL last year.

Guaranteed his #'s don't look as good this year with the division improving, and playing the AFCW and NFCN.

[RunKC]

Bortles and Carr are kinda like Favre/Cutler. They make some great plays with their arms and can fill the stat sheet, but they also make some of the stupidest mistakes turning the ball over.

We swept the Raiders last year BC we forced Carr into making bad plays bc of pressure. And we didn't even have Houston for either game

Seriously go look at the stupid ass turnovers Carr gave to us last year. He needs to clean that shit up.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

25 TD's/15 INT's and under 60% in 13 games just isn't getting it done. You guys are looking at the totals. Look deeper.

10 games against the AFCS and NFCS. The two worst divisions in the NFL last year.

Guaranteed his #'s don't look as good this year with the division improving, and playing the AFCW and NFCN.

Take away Alex Smith's best 3 games last year, what's the total.

Bortles is a 2nd year player. Shit happens

[Sandy Vagina]

I don't see why anyone should give a shit to trip over these rankings.

Alex has been steadily good these last 4 years.. Bortles is starting to look like a good QB in his second yr as well. Bortles put up some nice production, but it does look like it comes at a cost.. that cost being 26 turnovers in 2015.. though the high TDs and yardage balance this more. The Jags defense has been bottom tier, so this typically would boost a QB's numbers.. both the good and bad.

Big year for Bortles to clean his game up and prove where he is.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Take away Alex Smith's best 3 games last year, what's the total.

Bortles is a 2nd year player. Shit happens

Nick Foles had 27 TD's and 2 INT's with a 64% completion percentage (10 starts) in just his 3rd year. Not to mention it was against better competition, without one of the leagues best WR duos. Stats can obviously be misleading when trying to project a young QB's future.

They were 3 shootouts against 3 other shit teams (Titans, Saints, Bucs) with terrible defenses, AND they still lost all 3 games. You have to take those games out of consideration just so you can get a better idea of how bad he really was for the most part.

You guys clearly haven't seen just how bad he was in those other games. My best friend is a Jags fan and I live in Florida, so I'm going to assume you guys aren't idiots and just haven't seen it for yourselves.