Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 17

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think it's clever to spend your first two picks on QB's. I don't know if that's ever happened in the history of the NFL.

Plus, the Chiefs have glaring needs at safety, CB, ILB, DE and need for depth everywhere.

It just doesn't make sense.

It's in the cards now as a possibility. You may think it's bad, but it's a possibility.

I think taking more defensive linemen, or worse, Joeckel or Fisher, makes even LESS sense. A trade down is clearly the balanced approach in all of this, but that's only if it can get pulled off.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Nope. Nobody's trading up for Joeckel.

Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson are both Top 10 talents. I'd argue Fisher is better.

Why trade up when you can almost certainly stay put and get a great LT prospect where you are.

I agree Fisher is the best Left Tackle prospect this year.

So if were stuck at #1 and we have signed canty and sean smith who do we draft.

Hammock Parties · 03-05-2013, 01:12 AM

It's all good. When the Chiefs take Geno Dane can just fall back on "wow what a reach!"

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's in the cards now as a possibility. You may think it's bad, but it's a possibility.

So, you believe that Dorsey traded for Alex Smith because he was afraid that if he didn't sign Bowe, he'd have to draft at left tackle at #1 overall?

If so, that would make Dorsey the most incompetent general manager of all time.

Direckshun · 03-05-2013, 01:14 AM

If you bet on shit not going well, you've got a 31/32 chance of being right.

It's a good gig, pessimism in the NFL.

Just Passin' By · 03-05-2013, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's in the cards now as a possibility. You may think it's bad, but it's a possibility.

I think taking more defensive linemen, or worse, Joeckel or Fisher, makes even LESS sense. A trade down is clearly the balanced approach in all of this, but that's only if it can get pulled off.

Does your position depend on whether or not Dorsey and Jackson return, or are you just opposed to DL on principle at this point?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell

It's all good. When the Chiefs take Geno Dane can just fall back on "wow what a reach!"

Just like everyone else with a brain

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:15 AM

He traded for Alex Smith because it's "safe".

I rhink the only way this really works out is if they get lucky and a QB falls in their laps by either trading back to recoup the 2nd rounder or it happening in round 3.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Does your position depend on whether or not Dorsey and Jackson return, or are you just opposed to DL on principle at this point?

I doubt Dorsey comes back I put Jackson at 50/50.

philfree · 03-05-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's in the cards now as a possibility. You may think it's bad, but it's a possibility.

I think taking more defensive linemen, or worse, Joeckel or Fisher, makes even LESS sense. A trade down is clearly the balanced approach in all of this, but that's only if it can get pulled off.

I agree with all of it. Geno will be the trade bait though. Sorry man.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He traded for Alex Smith because it's "safe".

I rhink the only way this really works out is if they get lucky and a QB falls in their laps by either trading back to recoup the 2nd rounder or it happening in round 3.

I won't be surprised if they take a QB at some point, but not at #1 overall.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I won't be surprised if they take a QB at some point, but not at #1 overall.

I'm not at all thrilled with Smith but if this team goes and spends some money on some starters in FA, finds a way to get a good developmental QB like Bray and has a solid overall draft, I'll give it a shot.

Just Passin' By · 03-05-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I doubt Dorsey comes back I put Jackson at 50/50.

I'm just trying to get SNR's take, since he was so opposed to the idea of going DL. This draft is sort of 2009 redux for the Chiefs, where they've got a top pick in a draft that's very weak at the top, and there's not really a QB worth taking at their spot. All the "Never take a 5 tech that high!" screams could well end up being replaced by "Never take a CB that high!", or some other equivalent.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:25 AM

Taking a CB there doesn't bother me if the talent is elite.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm not at all thrilled with Smith but if this team goes and spends some money on some starters in FA, finds a way to get a good developmental QB like Bray and has a solid overall draft, I'll give it a shot.

I think Bray has the most potential as a developmental project, with Dysert a close second.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2637050	He traded for Alex Smith because it's "safe". I rhink the only way this really works out is if they get lucky and a QB falls in their laps by either trading back to recoup the 2nd rounder or it happening in round 3.
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