Our (not so good) cap situation for 2017

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright, so it's another long Sunday without football, and while I don't want to look past this year too much, have any of you noticed our current amount of cap space for next offseason?

According to Over The Cap, we are sitting with a shade under 6 million in available space for 2017. I'm not sure it's 100% accurate, but it's gotta be close.

This is without Eric Berry or Dontari Poe under contract, too. Now, we know it's an issue Dorsey has to address and he has shown in the past that he will, but how? What would you do? Here's the link to tinker with all of the different options of moves that can be made. http://overthecap.com/calculator/kansas-city-chiefs/

Personally, I think move number one is to get that Fisher cap number down with an extension. A lot of the other moves are going to depend on how certain guys fare this season, but one that stands out is Mauga's cap number. It'd be really nice to see March or Wilson take his job and make him expendable next offseason. Also, you have the Jamaal dilemma, who would instantly free up 7 million, or Colquitt who frees up over 4 million... hell, Tyler Bray even approaches 2 million.

What do you think Dorsey does to save the world this time? Discuss

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Or inside linebackers and safeties, right?

Boom. Great ****ing point.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Top 10 was being conservative, but let's completely ignore the key part ("as a rookie"). Why is it so hard for you to project how good a player can be after further development. Are you really that ****ing clueless? He was fantastic in his first year playing a relatively new position. Of course he's only going to get better. Not to mention the talent next to him could be improved to help him also.

The problem I have with you is there isn't a guy on the roster that isn't a potential all pro. As long as he's not a paraplegic, you think he's going to set the nfl on fire. Have you ever had a negative opinion about any Chiefs player?

I mean, you do realize that statistically speaking, he's not likely to be an all pro player? Do you understand that? Is this where you claim your superior football knowledge makes you capable of predicting him beating the odds?

We all understand what's possible but you seem to have no comprehension of what's probable.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The problem I have with you is there isn't a guy on the roster that isn't a potential all pro. As long as he's not a paraplegic, you think he's going to set the nfl on fire. Have you ever had a negative opinion about any Chiefs player?

I mean, you do realize that statistically speaking, he's not likely to be an all pro player? Do you understand that? Is this where you claim your superior football knowledge makes you capable of predicting him beating the odds?

We all understand what's possible but you seem to have no comprehension of what's probable.

First off, I haven't pimped one ****ing guy that isn't at least a 3rd rounder in this conversation. It's not like I'm saying Wilson, Ware, LDT, March, Wilson, White, etc. are potentially All-Pro's. I guess because I really like CAT you assume I have a homer take on all these other guys? It's certainly not based on anything concrete.

Also, I'm completely aware of the fact that that isn't probable, but when you draft guys every year that have that potential and continue to develop them within this winning culture you will continue to win. Some will pan out, and some won't. At the rate they're panning out for us right now we will be fine.

It's what all the other consistent playoff contenders do and there's not reason to think we can't do it. We've been one of the best in the NFL at drafting/signing and developing talent in the NFL the past 3 years. Why is that going to all of a sudden stop?

[DaneMcCloud]

Saying that a solid or even championship football team can't be built through the draft is asinine.

Look at Seattle: They, for the most part, failed to hit on first round guys but had incredible success from rounds 2-7 and quickly went to a Super Bowl, won one and lost on a fluke play in another.

Baltimore's most recent Super Bowl team was built through the draft as were runner up teams like the 49ers.

Teams aren't going to hit on every single pick but if they hit on 60%+ each and every year, they're going to have a contender year in and year out.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Saying that a solid or even championship football team can't be built through the draft is asinine.

Look at Seattle: They, for the most part, failed to hit on first round guys but had incredible success from rounds 2-7 and quickly went to a Super Bowl, won one and lost on a fluke play in another.

Baltimore's most recent Super Bowl team was built through the draft as were runner up teams like the 49ers.

Teams aren't going to hit on every single pick but if they hit on 60%+ each and every year, they're going to have a contender year in and year out.

His argument is that we can't do that drafting late (even though those teams did too).

Yet that is exactly what we've done, except for the one year we had a top 5 pick in one of the worst ****ing drafts ever.

We also did it missing a day 2 pick in just about every draft so far.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

His argument is essentially that we can't do that drafting late.

Yet that is exactly what we've done, except for the one year we had a top 5 pick in one of the worst ****ing drafts ever.

We also did it missing a day 2 pick in just about every draft so far.

Look at Seattle: Chancellor, Sherman, Malcolm Smith and others were Day Theee picks. Wagner was a 2, Max Unger was a 2, Lynch was traded for a 4, Baldwin was undrafted, Golden Tate was a 2 and so on.

It's not even worth mentioning that their QB was a 3.

The notion that great teams can't be and aren't built on Day 2 & 3 is wrong.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Look at Seattle: Chancellor, Sherman, Malcolm Smith and others were Day Theee picks. Wagner was a 2, Max Unger was a 2, Lynch was traded for a 4, Baldwin was undrafted, Golden Tate was a 2 and so on.

It's not even worth mentioning that their QB was a 3.

The notion that great teams can't be and aren't built on Day 2 & 3 is wrong.

And completely ignoring how good of a job Dorsey has done finding talent in those rounds with the lack of opportunities is really ignorant.

[staylor26]

By the way, since I mentioned the Jags, it's worth noting that their two best offensive players were drafted in round 2 and signed as an UDFA. Those picks were the ones that got that thing going in the right direction.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Saying that a solid or even championship football team can't be built through the draft is asinine.

I agree. Who said that?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by staylor26

His argument is that we can't do that drafting late (even though those teams did too).

Yet that is exactly what we've done, except for the one year we had a top 5 pick in one of the worst ****ing drafts ever.

We also did it missing a day 2 pick in just about every draft so far.

My argument is that it's not easy so to sit back and say "Dorsey will just plug holes with comp picks" is ridiculously simplifying the issue.

You're basically saying "the Patriots found a QB in round 6 so we can too". Or Richard Sherman was a late round pick so who cares if we lose Sean Smith.

All I'm saying is its easy to look at the Seahawks and say "see what works" but it's a hell of a lot harder to execute it. It's not like they knew what Sherman was when they picked him. They got lucky. Hell, it takes a degree of luck to get it right in the first round.

The Chiefs are going to lose some great players to age. They are also likely to lose some great players to salary cap. That is a window of opportunity that is closing.

The idea that it's no big deal because they have a bunch of comp picks is ****ing ridiculous. It will take a level of success at talent evaluation that Dorsey has not proven he has yet and even if he does have it, it will take a **** ton of luck too.

Is the team better with DJ on the field? Berry? Are these guys easily replaced? They won some games with Berry out with cancer... would they have been a better team with a healthy Berry on the field?

The suspension of reality in an effort to not say anything negative has become ridiculous. Do you guys even think about the shit you are typing? You clearly don't read what I'm typing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jspchief

My argument is that it's not easy so to sit back and say "Dorsey will just plug holes with comp picks" is ridiculously simplifying the issue.

You're basically saying "the Patriots found a QB in round 6 so we can too". Or Richard Sherman was a late round pick so who cares if we lose Sean Smith.

All I'm saying is its easy to look at the Seahawks and say "see what works" but it's a hell of a lot harder to execute it. It's not like they knew what Sherman was when they picked him. They got lucky. Hell, it takes a degree of luck to get it right in the first round.

The Chiefs are going to lose some great players to age. They are also likely to lose some great players to salary cap. That is a window of opportunity that is closing.

The idea that it's no big deal because they have a bunch of comp picks is ****ing ridiculous. It will take a level of success at talent evaluation that Dorsey has not proven he has yet and even if he does have it, it will take a **** ton of luck too.

Is the team better with DJ on the field? Berry? Are these guys easily replaced? They won some games with Berry out with cancer... would they have been a better team with a healthy Berry on the field?

The suspension of reality in an effort to not say anything negative has become ridiculous. Do you guys even think about the shit you are typing? You clearly don't read what I'm typing.

The Chiefs went 9-7 without DJ and DeVito. Berry wasn't available for several games in 2014, yet the secondary was one of the best in the NFL.

The main reason they only won 9 games was lack of depth at running back, OL and little to no talent at WR.

And still won 9 games.

You're not thinking about this clearly. Dorsey has stacked the talent on this roster and will continue to do so. He's not a n00b, nor is he a Peter Principled jackass nor has he overstayed his welcome by 11 years.

He's a former NFL player and a scout at heart. He's found starters and contributors in weak drafts, the waiver wire and as undrafted free agents. He drafts guys that fit the systems and have all the tangibles and intangibles that the coaching staff needs. He doesn't just draft a guy because he plays a position (Eric Downing, Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, Junior Siavii, etc.).

To say it's "luck" is naive.

[BlackOp]

To me...the fact they didn't draft Myles Jack says more about Poe's upcoming contract. It was the ideal scenario...top 3 prospect falling at a position that is getting old...with a year to groom behind one of the best.

Dorsey is hedging on the expensive positions...and Poe is going to get paid. I think this is his last season as a Chief....might be Berry's too. He did this with Peters last year. Dorsey/Reid know the importance of "emotional leaders"...*see Ray Lewis*. They might opt to keep Berry for this reason... once Hali/DJ hang it up.

Dropping JC and DJ gets complicated politically...they are both ring of honor, career Chief players.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

To me...the fact they didn't draft Myles Jack says more about Poe's upcoming contract. It was the ideal scenario...top 3 prospect falling at a position that is getting old...with a year to groom behind one of the best.

Dorsey is hedging on the expensive positions...and Poe is going to get paid. I think this is his last season as a Chief....might be Berry's too.

Dropping JC and DJ gets complicated politically...they are both ring of honor, career Chief, players.

Dorsey has stated in several interviews that his guy was Jones.

Dallas and Jax can waste draft picks on boom or bust players because both teams suck.

The Chiefs need an immediate contributor.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

My argument is that it's not easy so to sit back and say "Dorsey will just plug holes with comp picks" is ridiculously simplifying the issue.

You're basically saying "the Patriots found a QB in round 6 so we can too". Or Richard Sherman was a late round pick so who cares if we lose Sean Smith.

All I'm saying is its easy to look at the Seahawks and say "see what works" but it's a hell of a lot harder to execute it. It's not like they knew what Sherman was when they picked him. They got lucky. Hell, it takes a degree of luck to get it right in the first round.

The Chiefs are going to lose some great players to age. They are also likely to lose some great players to salary cap. That is a window of opportunity that is closing.

The idea that it's no big deal because they have a bunch of comp picks is ****ing ridiculous. It will take a level of success at talent evaluation that Dorsey has not proven he has yet and even if he does have it, it will take a **** ton of luck too.

Is the team better with DJ on the field? Berry? Are these guys easily replaced? They won some games with Berry out with cancer... would they have been a better team with a healthy Berry on the field?

The suspension of reality in an effort to not say anything negative has become ridiculous. Do you guys even think about the shit you are typing? You clearly don't read what I'm typing.

I'm reading everything you're typing and it's ****ing stupid.

Did we trade away all of our day one and two picks for the next few years? Will we not be able to sign anybody? Who is banking it all on the comp picks? They're just more lottery tickets, but that doesn't mean we won't hit on some too.

We can get talent many different ways, as we have every year since Dorsey's been here. Again, why the **** do you think that's going to change when we'll have even more picks?

Also, do you really think every guy like Conley, Ford, Gaines, Jones and Russell is going to bust? Why can't at least a couple of those guys develop into quality starters?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs went 9-7 without DJ and DeVito. Berry wasn't available for several games in 2014, yet the secondary was one of the best in the NFL.

The main reason they only won 9 games was lack of depth at running back, OL and little to no talent at WR.

And still won 9 games.

I'm genuinely curious what point you're trying to argue here. That's it's possible to win games without star players? I never claimed otherwise.

Are they better with or without them? We're the Chiefs better at the start of 2015 with Sean Smith suspended? Do you think think they would have been a better team with Smith on the field? Do you think Dorsey thinks they would have been better with Smith out there?

Would the 2014 Chiefs have been a better team with a healthy Devito, DJ, and Berry? Or is the goal 9-7?

What point are you trying to make?