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Old 02-12-2013, 01:00 PM   #1
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I'd give up a 7th rounder for Matt Flynn as long as we drafted Geno at 1.
A 7th? Sure.

A 3rd? No ****ing way.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:09 PM   #2
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Foles is not garbage. This is not Matt Cassel 2.0. If you could get Foles for a anything less than a first I'd say take it. The kid's got a gun and if Reid wants him it's because he's already had the kid for a year and he thinks he's got 'it'.

IF we don't draft a QB in round one, I'd say Foles and maybe Nassib or Dysert in round 2 or 3 would be the next best option. I'd take Foles over Alex Smith, I certainly would.

This is not a 'backup'. This is not a starter that lost his job due to poor play. This is a kid who, as a rookie, played quite well on an absolute disaster of a team.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:10 PM   #3
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Foles is not garbage. This is not Matt Cassel 2.0. If you could get Foles for a anything less than a first I'd say take it. The kid's got a gun and if Reid wants him it's because he's already had the kid for a year and he thinks he's got 'it'.

IF we don't draft a QB in round one, I'd say Foles and maybe Nassib or Dysert in round 2 or 3 would be the next best option. I'd take Foles over Alex Smith, I certainly would.

This is not a 'backup'. This is not a starter that lost his job due to poor play. This is a kid who, as a rookie, played quite well on an absolute disaster of a team.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:23 PM   #4
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Foles is not garbage. This is not Matt Cassel 2.0. If you could get Foles for a anything less than a first I'd say take it. The kid's got a gun and if Reid wants him it's because he's already had the kid for a year and he thinks he's got 'it'.

IF we don't draft a QB in round one, I'd say Foles and maybe Nassib or Dysert in round 2 or 3 would be the next best option. I'd take Foles over Alex Smith, I certainly would.

This is not a 'backup'. This is not a starter that lost his job due to poor play. This is a kid who, as a rookie, played quite well on an absolute disaster of a team.
I agree with almost all of this other than the compensation. I'm not giving up anything more than a 4th for Foles.

You could literally get someone just like him in the 3rd round this year.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:16 PM   #5
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At this point a relevant question would be given what we'd have to give up.

Would I rather have Nick Foles or...

Mike Glennon, Zac Dysert, Landry Jones, EJ Manuel, Tyler Bray, Matt Flynn or Alex Smith.

For me I'd take Foles over Flynn, Smith, Dysert.

The rest for me it's a push. None of the above options get you all that fired up.
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If we trade for Foles......say goodbye to drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:35 PM   #7
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If we trade for Foles......say goodbye to drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds.
If the Chiefs were to get Foles in a trade with the Eagles (for moving from 1 to 4) along with a 2nd this year and, say, a high pick next year, I could see them picking up someone like Manuel with one of the 2nds. They need to get more than one QB.
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If the Chiefs were to get Foles in a trade with the Eagles (for moving from 1 to 4) along with a 2nd this year and, say, a high pick next year, I could see them picking up someone like Manuel with one of the 2nds. They need to get more than one QB.
No they really don't.

I keep hearing this.

Does Denver have more than 1 QB? Does New England or New Orleans?

The solution at QB is quantity.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:45 PM   #9
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No they really don't.

I keep hearing this.

Does Denver have more than 1 QB? Does New England or New Orleans?

The solution at QB is quantity.
Do you think they will go into next season with only 2 QBs or are you saying if you have a quality starter, it doesn't matter what's behind him?

I was going off of Dorsey's history of picking QB's and letting them sit and develop behind the starter. If you can do that and then translate them to draft picks later, that's a win. Granted, in my original post, a 2nd may be too high for that idea but I was thinking they might hedge their bets in case Foles doesn't continue to develop.
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Do you think they will go into next season with only 2 QBs or are you saying if you have a quality starter, it doesn't matter what's behind him?
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I was going off of Dorsey's history of picking QB's and letting them sit and develop behind the starter. If you can do that and then translate them to draft picks later, that's a win. Granted, in my original post, a 2nd may be too high for that idea but I was thinking they might hedge their bets in case Foles doesn't continue to develop.
Dorsey's history of picking and sitting QBs assumes you have an established veteran in place. Foles is essentially another rookie. Same for Matt Flynn. They're simply not options.
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No they really don't.

I keep hearing this.

Does Denver have more than 1 QB? Does New England or New Orleans?

The solution at QB is quantity.
Denver's backup was drafted in the second round. NEs was drafted in the third.

I think your last line was a typo...?
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Denver's backup was drafted in the second round. NEs was drafted in the third.
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I think your last line was a typo...?


Yes, I meant to say the solution is QUALITY, not QUANTITY.
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If we trade for Foles......say goodbye to drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds.
I think it's the reverse of that.

Not If they trade for Foles, goodbye to drafting a QB in 1st 3 rounds.

It's..

If the Chiefs don't like this years class and decide "we're not using a top 3 round pick on this crop of QBs for the value", then they trade for Foles.

Probably semantics but I think you get what I'm saying. It will be telling of what they thing about this year's class.

Nonetheless, I think I'm with htismaqe on this one that we can get someone very similar in the 3rd in this years class so maybe we should hold off.
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What makes anyone think Philly is going to do anything but keep him?
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What makes anyone think Philly is going to do anything but keep him?
Nothing, really. I'm pretty sure they do. It's all just speculation.
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