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Old 09-26-2017, 07:41 AM  
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PFF comments extensively on Terrance Mitchell

This is great stuff. Props to the Locked On Chiefs podcast for hosting PFF. Between them, Chief in the North, Amateur Hour, the A Team podcast, and the Arrowhead Pride podcast, this is really the golden age for Chiefs podcasts.

Anyway, the dude from PFF made lots of interesting comments (the Chiefs play man coverage more than anyone in the NFL; the OL is "borderline top 10" but not enough to really take over games), but the most interesting to me is the comments he made about Mitchell.

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Q: One guy that I was critical of early, and I'm starting to come around myself so you're not the only one that's making adjustments here, Terrance Mitchell is the second-most targeted corner according to PFF in this league, and he's given up the most yardage.

But, he still grades out very well. He doesn't give up a whole lot of rating against, so explain to us how, when you guys are doing that, do you take the fact that Marcus Peters is across from him into consideration when you're working grades, or how do you all look at his body of work as a whole?

PFF: Yeah obviously some cornerbacks just get targeted more. You can't really help it as a cornerback when you get targeted. You have to-- you will give up more completions. If someone like Richard Sherman was targeted on every single play of the game he'd end up giving up 150 yards at least in the game.

But at the same time, you have to look at the yards per target, and so [Mitchell] is still allowing fewer than 10 yards a target, which is fairly good at the cornerback position. He has given up over 300 yards, but on 33 targets, so over 10 targets a game is a lot of targets.

And his completion percentage against is only 51.5% so that's, you know, when you're around the 50 mark at the cornerback position, that's a-- an elite number is sub-50, so he's right at that. The fact that he gets targeted a bunch, he has two picks, he has three pass breakups, so he's been good in that area. He does have a handful of penalties, but that's gonna happen in the NFL when you play man coverage.

So I think what we've seen from him so far has been encouraging, and you need someone across from Marcus Peters who's going to be able to hold up with a high volume of targets because teams are wising up to the fact that maybe targeting Marcus Peters whatever it was, 118 times his rookie year, is not a smart decision.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:56 AM   #16
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Gaines hasn't been nearly as bad as CP would lead you to believe. He is a valuable asset being that he's on a cheap rookie contract and can play both outside and inside. He also made a couple of really nice tackles on Sunday, one of which prevented a big play by Gordon. The fact that people think he shouldn't be on the roster is moronic. He's better than a lot of other teams backups.
He was awful in games 1 and 2.

Game 3 was the only game I've seen from him where I thought he was passable. He's still easily the weakest link in the secondary. He's a roster player but not a good one.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:58 AM   #17
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He was awful in games 1 and 2.

Game 3 was the only game I've seen from him where I thought he was passable. He's still easily the weakest link in the secondary. He's a roster player but not a good one.
Eh I don't know that I agree

Couple plays he's given up have looked a little OPI to me so I don't really fault him there
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:02 AM   #18
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Eh I don't know that I agree

Couple plays he's given up have looked a little OPI to me so I don't really fault him there
Exactly my thoughts. The Jeffrey TD is a good example.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:04 AM   #19
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:06 AM   #20
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Eh I don't know that I agree

Couple plays he's given up have looked a little OPI to me so I don't really fault him there
He's constantly chasing the play. He doesn't look instinctive out there at all.

I've only seen him from the stands once so I can't give a much stronger statement than what anyone else has seen on TV. But in the Eagles game he was losing way more often than he was winning and the balls just weren't always coming his way. As you watched the routes unfold and found the open man, it was usually #23 running along 2 steps behind him.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:06 AM   #21
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5 more games and Nelson is back, I'm looking forward to his return just to get Gaines off the field.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:08 AM   #22
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Or maybe, just maybe, these same people don't know what the **** to watch or what's happening on each play.

If you need a bunch of drunken Brits to explain American football to you, maybe, just maybe, you don't know shit about football.
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Old 09-26-2017, 12:03 PM   #23
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Gaines might be the most underappreciated player on this Chiefs team. He is possibly our 4th corner and you see tons of people criticizing him when in fact he is not playing bad at all, especially not for a 4th CB. When exactly did the Chiefs have a better #4CB than Gaines? And the guy is still on his rookie contract so not much $$
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I don't think he's been awful, especially after the last game. The guy hasn't played all that much and he is playing across from Peters. The DPI calls will slow down, especially if the zebras will show some balls and start calling OPI. I see him as a much better option than Gaines at this point.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:00 PM   #25
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Gaines might be the most underappreciated player on this Chiefs team. He is possibly our 4th corner and you see tons of people criticizing him when in fact he is not playing bad at all, especially not for a 4th CB. When exactly did the Chiefs have a better #4CB than Gaines? And the guy is still on his rookie contract so not much $$
Same reason that people hate on Albert Wilson. Because there have been times due to injury and/or poor depth, that they have been asked to play above their heads and they didn't do that great. But now that they are both the 4th option at their position, as they should be, people want them gone.
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Same reason that people hate on Albert Wilson
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