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Old 01-11-2015, 06:56 PM  
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Hypothetical: Would you trade Alex Smith for Peyton Manning?
In this hypothetical, assume that Peyton will come back for at least one more season.

Also assume that, by giving up each player, each team rids itself of the remaining contract and picks up the tab on the other as far as cap hits are concerned.

The trade is straight up. Player for player. Contract for contract.

I want to say Peyton's cap hit will be around $20 million next year and I think Alex is somewhere around $15 million (but keep in mind that we're basically locked into having Smith here for the next two seasons if he's still on the roster come opening day of 2015).

Would you make that trade?
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:21 PM   #31
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Would I rather have a 1-year window to win a Super Bowl, or a QB that didn't throw a TD to a WR for an entire season in a pass-happy league?

No offense, but what a stupid ****ing question.
I don't think Peyton has a realistic chance to go back to the SB at this stage in his career but I am surprised with all the Chiefs fans saying no to a guaranteed one and done playoff run.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:22 PM   #32
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doesn't a single season of Manning cost about 50% of Alex Smith's entire contract?
Doesnt cost shit if he retires.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:22 PM   #33
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In my short-sighted view Id say yes.

We'd get Manning, who is still likely a top 10 regular season QB, and rid ourselves of what looks to be a pretty hampering contract with a guy that isn't likely to take us beyond the Divisional Round.

We likely wouldn't have to worry about Manning's arm turning into a noodle so early in the season with Jamaal and Knile. There's more talent between the two of them than the Broncos backfield has seen since Terrell Davis.

Plus we'd likely be able to draw some bigger name free agents (Cobb, anyone?) while maximizing the potential of the guys that we already have. Kelce and Bowe instantly become 1,000+ yard 10+ TD guys and Albert Wilson and DAT probably take more than a few drags and screens to the house.

On the flip side, this isn't a good year for us to be riding a 1 year rental. We've got a late round pick and no QB heir apparent on the roster.

I'm assuming Manning retires after 2015 and we'd basically be scrambling to find a QB yet again.
The Manning we saw today isn't maximizing any of those players.

He's done.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:23 PM   #34
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see what you can get out of alex when you have a reliable Oline and better outside targets.. draft a late qb if you must. Be releastic. Might as well build up the roster and if alex doesn't stick he doesn't stick.. but the next dude will have a better chance of succeeding
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:23 PM   #35
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I don't think Peyton has a realistic chance to go back to the SB at this stage in his career but I am surprised with all the Chiefs fans saying no to a guaranteed one and done playoff run.
Nothing is guaranteed. Peyton would likely come here and blow his Achilles in the first quarter of the first preseason game.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:23 PM   #36
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Chiefs D + JC+ Peyton? I'll go to battle with that.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:24 PM   #37
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Would I rather have a 1-year window to win a Super Bowl, or a QB that didn't throw a TD to a WR for an entire season in a pass-happy league?

No offense, but what a stupid ****ing question.
Peyton Manning's days of Super Bowl runs are over.
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:24 PM   #38
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I don't think Peyton has a realistic chance to go back to the SB at this stage in his career but I am surprised with all the Chiefs fans saying no to a guaranteed one and done playoff run.
I'm not sure what to think.

The struggles came damn near instantly beginning in the Rams game. Then they decide to completely change their offensive philosophy and run the ball 30-40 times a game?

I think he was hurt. Not making excuses, but you don't just see a decline that instantly like flipping a switch.

Regardless, 50% of Peyton Manning still gives you a better chance of winning in January than 100% of Alex Smith.
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Chiefs D + JC+ Peyton? I'll go to battle with that.
so basically Denvers def who is arguably filled with more talent than KC's and CJ Anderson who may not be the hof worthy of charles but hes talented and a bank of WR consistenting of thomas, J Thomas, Welker, etc...

you think he would do better with KC? cmon lol
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Doesnt cost shit if he retires.
I see. You're pulling an NBA, trade for a player just to cut them.

We can get the same results by trading/cutting Alex Smith before next year starts. His guaranteed money doesn't kick in until next year.
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Peyton Manning is probably never going back to a Super Bowl. They didn't Belichick him today. They actually challenged him to throw it deep, and he couldn't do it. You'd probably have better odds of Alex Smith capturing the Colts game performance in a Flacco-like run. But yes I'd give Manning better odds than Smith of actually getting to the playoffs, yes.
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I'm not sure what to think.

The struggles came damn near instantly beginning in the Rams game. Then they decide to completely change their offensive philosophy and run the ball 30-40 times a game?

I think he was hurt. Not making excuses, but you don't just see a decline that instantly like flipping a switch.

Regardless, 50% of Peyton Manning still gives you a better chance of winning in January than 100% of Alex Smith.
With age in the nfl it comes quick.

And 50 percent of manning, what we saw today, isn't winning a playoff game without an elite defense and running game. So it's basically a push
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:28 PM   #43
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There's so much Denver hate clouding your vision here.

Y'all are basically saying that the Chiefs have a better chance of winning a SB with Alex Smith than Peyton Manning.

Which is ****ing hilarious.
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