Chiefs Cousins and Fields - Page 2

synthesis2 · 08:03 AM

So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Hear me out.

Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.

The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.

Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.

Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...

Chris Meck · 03-12-2024, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

I wouldn't.

treeguy27 · 03-12-2024, 09:57 AM

Exhibit A as to why the NFL should not be considering expansion.
There's not enough difference making QB's now. Expanding into Europe will only water down the league more. Thankfully we've got our guy and won't have to worry about such things for another dozen years or so.

carcosa · 03-12-2024, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Here me out.

Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.

The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.

Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.

Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...

Interesting

Kman34 · 03-12-2024, 10:10 AM

It’s such a great time to be Chiefs fans…..We can look down our nose at other teams QBs…

staylor26 · 03-12-2024, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.

I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.

You're completely ignoring the fact that trading for Lamar would've also cost them multiple early picks.

dlphg9 · 03-12-2024, 10:35 AM

Here me owt!

How can you compare Fields with Cousins. Fields is absolute grade A trash. Fields couldn't win surrounded by a perfect team. Cousins definitely could and just really needs a OL to keep him up right. Minnesota did him dirty with that OL.

Sassy Squatch · 03-12-2024, 10:37 AM

dlphg9 · 03-12-2024, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You're completely ignoring the fact that trading for Lamar would've also cost them multiple early picks.

Lamar is one Achilles, knee, or ankle injury from being a FB playing QB. Kirk isn't ruined by an Achilles injury either. He also didn't cost multiple 1st round draft picks and $52 mil/yr they can easily get out of the Cousins deal in 2 years. Balt is stuck with Jackson until 2027.

displacedinMN · 03-13-2024, 06:47 AM

With his previous contract in Minnesota now officially voided, Kirk Cousins' 2024 cap hits:#Vikings: $28.5M#Falcons: $25M
— Spotrac (@spotrac) March 13, 2024

Chris Meck · 03-13-2024, 06:54 AM

I think at any point in time, there are max 5 elite QB's that can go win you a Super Bowl. MAX.

Then there's a second tier of guys that you can win a Super Bowl with, and that's about another max of 5. These are the guys that if you have a great defense, and the ball bounces the right way, yeah, they could play at a high enough level to get it done.

Each year, guys might move up or down within those lists due to age, injury, whatever.

The rest of the league is just kind of ****ed.

And that's the way it is.

Cousins is in that second group. Fields is in the third.

**notorious** · 03-13-2024, 06:59 AM

Cousins is better than a lot of people give him credit for. He’s just under the Allen/Burrow tier.

FlaChief58 · 03-13-2024, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by synthesis2

So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Here me out.

Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.

The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.

Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.

Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...

Prayers sent

synthesis2 · 03-13-2024, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Sure. But elite quarterbacks are extremely hard to find. You can make a case that there is only 1 legit elite QB in the league right now. Allen, Burrow (when healthy) and I guess I’ll throw Lamar in there, are all very good to great. But how can you be considered elite if there is someone else clearly better than you are?

So, teams have to get quarterbacks to play for them. The reality is, Cousins is a top half of the league QB, proving how hard it is to find great, let alone elite, QBs

I get it but why not take a chance on a rookie that potentially has a higher ceiling, if you know or are 99% sure Cousins can't win a superbowl what is the point? Might as well take a rookie, and use the money you would of paid him for putting a better team around him. If you hit on a player with a much higher ceiling then you have a shot but paying Cousins is basically saying we have a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs and once we are in we are done. Zero chance for a SB so what's the point.

synthesis2 · 03-13-2024, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Basically, there are 32 teams in the NFL, but probably less than 5 QB's that can realistically win a Super Bowl.

So what do you do? Do you tank for one? Trade up? Somehow find one who's available in free agency? All of those paths are either unavailable to most teams, or have massive downsides that will end up getting you fired if it goes wrong.

This is why you sign a QB like Mayfield or Cousins, they're job security for GMs. They keep you respectable and might even win a playoff game, which for some teams and fanbases is a huge success.

Your probably right but its sad for the fanbase who know going into the season they have no chance. Its how I felt about the Chiefs until we got Mahomes, love alex but I was 100% sure we were not winning a SB with him. Even being competitive , it did make me blah about the Chiefs knowing it was going to end in a loss.

synthesis2 · 03-13-2024, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Kirk Cousins is Trent Green

Great comparison

03-12-2024, 07:50 AM
synthesis2 synthesis2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $9335401	Cousins and Fields So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Hear me out. Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there. The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here. Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good. Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it. you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period... Last edited by synthesis2; 03-13-2024 at 08:03 AM..
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dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2179653	Here me owt! How can you compare Fields with Cousins. Fields is absolute grade A trash. Fields couldn't win surrounded by a perfect team. Cousins definitely could and just really needs a OL to keep him up right. Minnesota did him dirty with that OL.
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displacedinMN It was not a fair catch Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $2952630	With his previous contract in Minnesota now officially voided, Kirk Cousins' 2024 cap hits:#Vikings: $28.5M#Falcons: $25M — Spotrac (@spotrac) March 13, 2024 __________________ #investigatecarlcheffers
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1944910	I think at any point in time, there are max 5 elite QB's that can go win you a Super Bowl. MAX. Then there's a second tier of guys that you can win a Super Bowl with, and that's about another max of 5. These are the guys that if you have a great defense, and the ball bounces the right way, yeah, they could play at a high enough level to get it done. Each year, guys might move up or down within those lists due to age, injury, whatever. The rest of the league is just kind of ****ed. And that's the way it is. Cousins is in that second group. Fields is in the third.
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03-13-2024, 06:59 AM	#26
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