Chiefs Playing around with the idea of trading for Josh Gordon. - Page 6

Direckshun · 10-02-2014, 03:08 PM

This is a good offense right now, all things considered. To make it Super Bowl caliber, OldSchool suggested in DraftPlanet that we should trade this year's 1st and 3rd for Josh Gordon.

Let's play around with that idea, because I find it fascinating.

Scenario A

We trade for Josh Gordon at the end of the season for that pricetag.

The remaining year (2015) on his rookie contract is $5m.

The Chiefs are almost certainly cutting Hali, Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, Derrick Johnson, and probably cutting (in this scenario) Donnie Avery and Mike DeVito. Those cuts score us ~29m. $12m of that gets swallowed up by franchising Justin Houston, and $5m of that is spent on Josh Gordon.

Those moves leave us with Josh Gordon and $12m in cap space. We use the remaining $12m on tying up Hudson, Bailey, and our draft picks.

That makes our offense incredible:

QB: Smith
RB: Charles, Davis, DAT
WR: Gordon, Bowe
TE: Kelce

Super Bowl caliber.

But it happens at the expense of our defense, because we will have lost a starting CB on an already-thin CB corps, and who knows if Dee Ford can adequately replace Hali. And our highest draft pick is a 2nd rounder.

Scenario B

So what if, instead of cutting Hali and keeping Bowe, we cut Bowe (as I understand it, which isn't saying much, that would save us his entire contract since none of it is guaranteed anymore, right?) and keep Hali. We'd keep Avery, of course, in that circumstance. And all our other personnel moves are the same from Scenario A.

That would give us an all-things-considered better offense, because Gordon is a true #1, rather than the decent #1 that Bowe is:

QB: Smith
RB: Charles, Davis, DAT
WR: Gordon, Avery
TE: Kelce

And we retain the Hali/Houston passrush with Poe up the gut, and Dee Ford as quality depth at OLB. We still need that 2nd CB, but we do have plenty of draft picks and, who the hell knows, maybe Gaines or Parker develops.

Which scenario seems the most appealing?

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

a fan's false hope that the player REALLY wants to remain a Chief?

Yeah. :/

Rest assured, you'd do the exact same thing he's about to do this offseason if you were in his shoes.

OldSchool · 10-03-2014, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Are you high?

HE'S A DOUBLE-DIGIT-SACK PASSRUSHER.

Hell, the guy that gave him his current contract is helping make decisions in Atlanta, where they need a passrusher!

He's getting $14m from us in 2015, or rest assured, he'll be getting it somewhere else.

Dorsey isn't going to keep Hali at that price, not with Houston's deal looming next season and especially not if we have to tag Houston.

Sandy Vagina · 10-03-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Yeah. :/

Rest assured, you'd do the exact same thing he's about to do this offseason if you were in his shoes.

I hate you.. one who sucks the hope away!

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Dorsey isn't going to keep Hali at that price, not with Houston's deal looming next season and especially not if we have to tag Houston.

I agree.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I hate you.. one who sucks the hope away!

I have plenty of hope! I just invest it in Dee Ford.

Sandy Vagina · 10-03-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I have plenty of hope! I just invest it in Dee Ford.

Haaaaaa.... fair enough. Glad I don't have to make the call on moving on from Tamba. Lots of season to go that may make such decisions easier anyway.

thabear04 · 10-03-2014, 09:38 AM

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B_Ambuehl · 10-03-2014, 10:08 AM

Why would cleveland trade him when they can probably only get a 2nd or 3rd for him? They benefit much more by keeping him.

And the last thing this offense needs is a shiny toy at the wide receiver position. There's 2 problems with it:

1. This offense has a potentially great thing going with these 2 and 3 tight end formations - that type of O doesn't really need nor utilize much in the way of elite receivers.

2. Alex Suck can't optimally use a receiver anyhow. He's not accurate down the field and prefers throwing to bigger tight ends over the middle.

IMO the offense would be better off finding another good toy at the tight end position to pair with Kelce

Marcellus · 10-03-2014, 10:20 AM

Do any of you guys actually think Gordon is going to be able to keep himself clear of the substance abuse policy for any length of time? Something he has never been able to accomplish since college?

He is out of the league in less than 2 years. Don't waste the draft picks or the money.

Steron · 10-03-2014, 10:27 AM

Somebody mentioned Blackmon. Did he get his suspension reduced like Gordon?

Chiefnj2 · 10-03-2014, 11:08 AM

Hali might not demand a 15 mil per year cap hit.

Osi Umenyiora 2 years 8.5 mil deal.

Demarcus Ware has a hit of 9.6 and 8.6 per year the first two years of his three year deal.

Jared Allen is only 3 mil this year and a 12.5 hit next. If you split that evenly over two years it isn't that bad.

**Easy 6** · 10-03-2014, 11:35 AM

I cant yet buy into the idea of cutting Bowe, but he needs to really pick it up from here to the finish line, and even if he stays... he needs to be #2, period.

Gordon? I'm leaning towards Bufkins assessment of "ticking time bomb".

**Mav** · 10-03-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Do any of you guys actually think Gordon is going to be able to keep himself clear of the substance abuse policy for any length of time? Something he has never been able to accomplish since college?

He is out of the league in less than 2 years. Don't waste the draft picks or the money.

I like you are respect you. So with all do respect, Josh has kept himself clean. The test he is suspended for under the current deal he wouldn't of been suspended for and his previous failed test was for dr prescribed codeine.

I'm just glad the browns will never trade him

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steron

Somebody mentioned Blackmon. Did he get his suspension reduced like Gordon?

Hm. That's a fun idea, too.

Blackmon would also cost a shit ton less.

I think the Jags are committed to keeping him on board, however.

Direckshun · 10-03-2014, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Hali might not demand a 15 mil per year cap hit.

Osi Umenyiora 2 years 8.5 mil deal.

Demarcus Ware has a hit of 9.6 and 8.6 per year the first two years of his three year deal.

Jared Allen is only 3 mil this year and a 12.5 hit next. If you split that evenly over two years it isn't that bad.

Ware's really the only comparable talent, here. Osi's done, and Allen's a 4-3 DE.

Ware and Hali are in comparable parts of their careers, too. So yeah, maybe it's possible the Chiefs could work out a cheaper deal...

10-02-2014, 03:08 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4283447	Playing around with the idea of trading for Josh Gordon. This is a good offense right now, all things considered. To make it Super Bowl caliber, OldSchool suggested in DraftPlanet that we should trade this year's 1st and 3rd for Josh Gordon. Let's play around with that idea, because I find it fascinating. Scenario A We trade for Josh Gordon at the end of the season for that pricetag. The remaining year (2015) on his rookie contract is $5m. The Chiefs are almost certainly cutting Hali, Sean Smith, Anthony Fasano, Derrick Johnson, and probably cutting (in this scenario) Donnie Avery and Mike DeVito. Those cuts score us ~29m. $12m of that gets swallowed up by franchising Justin Houston, and $5m of that is spent on Josh Gordon. Those moves leave us with Josh Gordon and $12m in cap space. We use the remaining $12m on tying up Hudson, Bailey, and our draft picks. That makes our offense incredible: QB: Smith RB: Charles, Davis, DAT WR: Gordon, Bowe TE: Kelce Super Bowl caliber. But it happens at the expense of our defense, because we will have lost a starting CB on an already-thin CB corps, and who knows if Dee Ford can adequately replace Hali. And our highest draft pick is a 2nd rounder. Scenario B So what if, instead of cutting Hali and keeping Bowe, we cut Bowe (as I understand it, which isn't saying much, that would save us his entire contract since none of it is guaranteed anymore, right?) and keep Hali. We'd keep Avery, of course, in that circumstance. And all our other personnel moves are the same from Scenario A. That would give us an all-things-considered better offense, because Gordon is a true #1, rather than the decent #1 that Bowe is: QB: Smith RB: Charles, Davis, DAT WR: Gordon, Avery TE: Kelce And we retain the Hali/Houston passrush with Poe up the gut, and Dee Ford as quality depth at OLB. We still need that 2nd CB, but we do have plenty of draft picks and, who the hell knows, maybe Gaines or Parker develops. Which scenario seems the most appealing?
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B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	Why would cleveland trade him when they can probably only get a 2nd or 3rd for him? They benefit much more by keeping him. And the last thing this offense needs is a shiny toy at the wide receiver position. There's 2 problems with it: 1. This offense has a potentially great thing going with these 2 and 3 tight end formations - that type of O doesn't really need nor utilize much in the way of elite receivers. 2. Alex Suck can't optimally use a receiver anyhow. He's not accurate down the field and prefers throwing to bigger tight ends over the middle. IMO the offense would be better off finding another good toy at the tight end position to pair with Kelce __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $2972662	Do any of you guys actually think Gordon is going to be able to keep himself clear of the substance abuse policy for any length of time? Something he has never been able to accomplish since college? He is out of the league in less than 2 years. Don't waste the draft picks or the money.
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Steron Texting Ms. Dobbs Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $9418246	Somebody mentioned Blackmon. Did he get his suspension reduced like Gordon?
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	Hali might not demand a 15 mil per year cap hit. Osi Umenyiora 2 years 8.5 mil deal. Demarcus Ware has a hit of 9.6 and 8.6 per year the first two years of his three year deal. Jared Allen is only 3 mil this year and a 12.5 hit next. If you split that evenly over two years it isn't that bad. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3617775	I cant yet buy into the idea of cutting Bowe, but he needs to really pick it up from here to the finish line, and even if he stays... he needs to be #2, period. Gordon? I'm leaning towards Bufkins assessment of "ticking time bomb".
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