Chiefs How would YOU try to improve the defense? - Page 17

UChieffyBugger · 05:12 PM

Amid all the hysteria over our two wins and offensive performances, I'm just wondering what can realistically be done to improve the defense? Now we know Berry will hopefully be returning soon which should be massive, but with the way this offense is looking, just a slight improvement on defense could take us to the promise land yall. So does Veach sit, be patient and hope Berry is enough to improve things? Should he get on the phone and beg Breeland to join the kingdom? Or should he seek to make a trade of some sort?

I think I'd probably go with trying to get Breeland in and with Berry added to the mix I think the unit would be vastly improved.

...Breeland...Berry...Parker...Fuller...

With Nelson In the slot. Surely that would be enough?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-19-2018, 07:38 AM

Here's the unfortunate reality. No matter who the defensive coordinator is, Reid will never stop running prevent when we are protecting a lead. Our defense outside of that this year has been at least about average. I think Suttons gotta go. But that won't fix this problem.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-19-2018, 07:46 AM

For those talking about how because we are scoring points we should expect to give up points That doesn't mean we're giving points up the right way.

We don't need constant pressure. But we need occasional pressure - teams desperate to put up points become desperate to throw downfield. We need to force turnovers and that doesn't happen if we give the qb 10 seconds to throw. Secondly, big plays aren't always a bad thing. I'd rather give up one big play and get the defense off the field faster than watch the constant surgical 10+ yard play drives. The bend don't break approach isn't good for mahomes. We need an aggressive defense that gambles. It may lead to some big plays but it will also create big plays too. We're already giving up a shitload of points. If we do that, I'd rather have a few game changing sacks and turnovers sprinkled in there.

htismaqe · 09-19-2018, 08:00 AM

The good news is that they need occasional pressure and they GOT occasional pressure. The problem is that guys like Ben and Rivers are great QBs precisely because of how they handle pressure.

The way to get turnovers is to have DB's that don't suck.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

For those talking about how because we are scoring points we should expect to give up points That doesn't mean we're giving points up the right way.

We don't need constant pressure. But we need occasional pressure - teams desperate to put up points become desperate to throw downfield. We need to force turnovers and that doesn't happen if we give the qb 10 seconds to throw. Secondly, big plays aren't always a bad thing. I'd rather give up one big play and get the defense off the field faster than watch the constant surgical 10+ yard play drives. The bend don't break approach isn't good for mahomes. We need an aggressive defense that gambles. It may lead to some big plays but it will also create big plays too. We're already giving up a shitload of points. If we do that, I'd rather have a few game changing sacks and turnovers sprinkled in there.

RunKC · 09-19-2018, 08:12 AM

Here's my final tally for Roethlisberger against the #Chiefs defense...

Rushing 3: 10-16, 142 yards
Rushing 4: 24-36, 243 yards (sack)
Rushing 5: 5-7, 67 yards
Rushing 6: 0-1, 0 yards

Takeaways: Sutton did a better job of mixing up pressures in the second half, (cont.)
— Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) September 18, 2018

Sutton blitzed more in the 2nd half and it worked beautifully. It caused 3 punts in the last 4 possessions. Steelers first drive of the 2nd half was a TD, but it was also the drive that Eric Murray ****ed up a perfectly called blitz which would have caused 3rd and 10+.

I’m all for Sutton going full Gunther and blitzing the shit out QB’s over and over again unless it’s 3rd and short.

O.city · 09-19-2018, 08:19 AM

I don't think you can just constantly blitz, but you can't just sit back and bring 3. Just bring 4, sometimes 5.

htismaqe · 09-19-2018, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't think you can just constantly blitz, but you can't just sit back and bring 3. Just bring 4, sometimes 5.

That's EXACTLY what they did. But hey, FIRE BOB SUTTON!!!!

O.city · 09-19-2018, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's EXACTLY what they did. But hey, FIRE BOB SUTTON!!!!

Yeah, it is what it is.

They played a lot of zone it looked like and they struggled a bit there.

I'd also like to see them bring Houston and Ford a lot more than they have but I'm guessing there is a reason they aren't.

htismaqe · 09-19-2018, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, it is what it is.

They played a lot of zone it looked like and they struggled a bit there.

I'd also like to see them bring Houston and Ford a lot more than they have but I'm guessing there is a reason they aren't.

They struggle in zone because they have a lot of guys with really low football IQ's. They struggle with man because they have a lot of guys that aren't particularly athletically gifted.

There's absolutely a reason for what they are doing.

RunKC · 09-19-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's EXACTLY what they did. But hey, FIRE BOB SUTTON!!!!

I noticed Sutton started rushing 3 on the first Steelers TD drive bc Big Ben was killing us in the middle of the field. We were trying to adjust.

Getting a healthy Eric Berry back is going to be so critical. Can’t help but think he would have been a big help vs the Steelers due to Jesse James going off on us.

O.city · 09-19-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They struggle in zone because they have a lot of guys with really low football IQ's. They struggle with man because they have a lot of guys that aren't particularly athletically gifted.

There's absolutely a reason for what they are doing.

Yeah, pretty much.

They have so many new faces there as well. Takes a little bit.

Toad · 09-19-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Well, the data comes from Football Outsiders who get pressure data from Sports Information Solutions. Neither post the exact definition of a "pressure" on their website, and SIS basically doesn't post much of anything. SIS partners with ESPN and FO as well as provide data and decision lens metrics to clubs directly (MLB and NFL). So, I'm assuming that whatever they term as a "pressure" is respected by league personnel and two websites built on sports data. I'd love to answer your question more directly, but I don't know that answer.

All good. Really do appreciate you posting the insights.

SuperBowl4 · 09-19-2018, 10:26 AM

Make a trade for Wade Phillips

htismaqe · 09-19-2018, 10:38 AM

I don't know about this little tidbit but it's worth discussing.

I went back and watched the Twitter videos on both the "LOS" play and the "fumble-TD-turned-holding" play.

On BOTH plays, the were in press coverage with a 2-deep zone on the backend. They had 7 (or 8) guys at the LOS with both safeties 15-20 yards deep.

That's not Sutton's normal MO at all. We usually play a ton of single high.

I think the defensive backfield is even worse than we think.

WhiteWhale · 09-19-2018, 10:41 AM

I would try getting better players.

Usually something you do in the off-season.

SuperBowl4 · 09-19-2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I would try getting better players.

Usually something you do in the off-season.

You know that Bob likes to fish in the off season

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09-19-2018, 07:38 AM	#241
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2124497	Here's the unfortunate reality. No matter who the defensive coordinator is, Reid will never stop running prevent when we are protecting a lead. Our defense outside of that this year has been at least about average. I think Suttons gotta go. But that won't fix this problem.
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09-19-2018, 07:46 AM	#242
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2124497	For those talking about how because we are scoring points we should expect to give up points That doesn't mean we're giving points up the right way. We don't need constant pressure. But we need occasional pressure - teams desperate to put up points become desperate to throw downfield. We need to force turnovers and that doesn't happen if we give the qb 10 seconds to throw. Secondly, big plays aren't always a bad thing. I'd rather give up one big play and get the defense off the field faster than watch the constant surgical 10+ yard play drives. The bend don't break approach isn't good for mahomes. We need an aggressive defense that gambles. It may lead to some big plays but it will also create big plays too. We're already giving up a shitload of points. If we do that, I'd rather have a few game changing sacks and turnovers sprinkled in there.
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09-19-2018, 08:12 AM	#244
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $2269611	Here's my final tally for Roethlisberger against the #Chiefs defense... Rushing 3: 10-16, 142 yards Rushing 4: 24-36, 243 yards (sack) Rushing 5: 5-7, 67 yards Rushing 6: 0-1, 0 yards Takeaways: Sutton did a better job of mixing up pressures in the second half, (cont.) — Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) September 18, 2018 Sutton blitzed more in the 2nd half and it worked beautifully. It caused 3 punts in the last 4 possessions. Steelers first drive of the 2nd half was a TD, but it was also the drive that Eric Murray **ed up a perfectly called blitz which would have caused 3rd and 10+. I’m all for Sutton going full Gunther and blitzing the shit out QB’s over and over again unless it’s 3rd and short. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Noah Gray**
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2764064	I don't think you can just constantly blitz, but you can't just sit back and bring 3. Just bring 4, sometimes 5.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I don't know about this little tidbit but it's worth discussing. I went back and watched the Twitter videos on both the "LOS" play and the "fumble-TD-turned-holding" play. On BOTH plays, the were in press coverage with a 2-deep zone on the backend. They had 7 (or 8) guys at the LOS with both safeties 15-20 yards deep. That's not Sutton's normal MO at all. We usually play a ton of single high. I think the defensive backfield is even worse than we think.
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