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Old 11-22-2012, 04:32 PM   #1
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:36 PM   #2
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:40 PM   #3
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
The reason I said rgIII was sure fire was that... Yeah, I believed rgIIIs floor was at the worst an elite running qb. I believed his most likely upside as to be a big Ben qb that was so elusive in the pocket that he could extend plays even if he couldn't make a lightning quick read.

Genos success will depend on being an elite pocket qb. He has to be elite at pre snap reads. Elite at going through progressions. Elite at making unbelievably fast hot reads, blitz pickups, and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Things he hasn't been asked to do.

RgIII would have succeeded even if he was only average at those things. Geno won't be. Hence, he is a riskier prospect. I like geno. But again, I'm not going to exaggerate his stock.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:13 PM   #4
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No. I don't know how that even applies. And rgIII walked into the nfl with a much better pocket passing skill set than geno anyway.
That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.

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The reason I said rgIII was sure fire was that... Yeah, I believed rgIIIs floor was at the worst an elite running qb. I believed his most likely upside as to be a big Ben qb that was so elusive in the pocket that he could extend plays even if he couldn't make a lightning quick read.

Genos success will depend on being an elite pocket qb. He has to be elite at pre snap reads. Elite at going through progressions. Elite at making unbelievably fast hot reads, blitz pickups, and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Things he hasn't been asked to do.

RgIII would have succeeded even if he was only average at those things. Geno won't be. Hence, he is a riskier prospect. I like geno. But again, I'm not going to exaggerate his stock.
Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:17 PM   #5
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That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:25 PM   #6
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:27 PM   #7
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Smith can't overcome shit to win a game. RGIII did.
Name me one QB that can overcome shit every game.

I'm talking about a guy that is trying to keep up with opposing offenses because his defense couldn't stop your grandmother and her friends if they played a game against them, all while having to contend with constant pressure, because his O-Line couldn't block your grandmother and her friends either.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:32 PM   #8
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Name me one QB that can overcome shit every game.

I'm talking about a guy that is trying to keep up with opposing offenses because his defense couldn't stop your grandmother and her friends if they played a game against them, all while having to contend with constant pressure, because his O-Line couldn't block your grandmother and her friends either.
And again, the reason you call it a risk is you have to ASSUME he is a clutch qb even though we haven't seem enough physical evidence. We have to assume he can handle tough defenses even though hes played mostly Mickey mouse defenses. Or that he can bounce back after getting battered around. We have to assume he will excel at blitz pickups, hot reads, and can win even in games where the defense dominates the o line.

I like the guys ability to overcome these things. But they are risks. Risks I didn't worry about last year with rgIII.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:37 PM   #9
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And again, the reason you call it a risk is you have to ASSUME he is a clutch qb even though we haven't seem enough physical evidence. We have to assume he can handle tough defenses even though hes played mostly Mickey mouse defenses. Or that he can bounce back after getting battered around. We have to assume he will excel at blitz pickups, hot reads, and can win even in games where the defense dominates the o line.

I like the guys ability to overcome these things. But they are risks. Risks I didn't worry about last year with rgIII.
That is just a stupid ****ing argument.

You are just making shit up to support a stupid ****ing argument with no merit.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:25 PM   #10
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That's complete and utter bullshit, which is a specialty for you.

RGIII never faced the kind of pressure that Smith faces consistently, but when Smith is in the pocket, he has far more pocket awareness and passing skill set at this point in their development.



Who gives a rat's ass if a QB is an elite running QB?

If you don't succeed as a passing QB, you ain't winning shit in the NFL.

You are ****ing moron.
I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:31 PM   #11
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I said that was his floor. I said his realistic floor was that he would be a qb who used his legs to extend passing plays. I also said rgIII had tremendous upside to be a great pocket qb.

Don't talk shit if you aren't going to exaggerate.
What the **** are you talking about?

If his floor is that he's an elite running QB, and that is all he accomplishes, then it doesn't ****ing matter.
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What the **** are you talking about?

If his floor is that he's an elite running QB, and that is all he accomplishes, then it doesn't ****ing matter.
You're being petty if you're going to get hung up about what I believe a qb is going to be in a worst case scenario, and ignore what I said was the realistic scenario.
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You're being petty if you're going to get hung up about what I believe a qb is going to be in a worst case scenario, and ignore what I said was the realistic scenario.
No I am not, you dumbshit.

I am just doing exactly the same thing you are doing when you talk about the risks with Smith.
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
Yeah..um no.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:45 AM   #15
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Ive heard you say this dumb shit a few times and its absolutely ridiculous.

What exactly gives Geno this "major bust potential"?

What is his "fatal flaw" that he needs to overcome and if he doesnt, he will bust?
Zilla' has been a damned True Fan since the Pioli hire and liked the Cassel trade, so just move along; NOTHING to see there, folks.
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IMO Geno is RGIII without the elite scrambling talent.
He's not a sprinter, but he can elude some mother****ers too.
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