My final Geno thread before the draft

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

I doesn't matter. Because no one wants him badly enough to trade up to one.

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.


The most likely thing to do is trade Albert and take one of the lt's if you think they are as good or better than Albert

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by O.city

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.

Exactly, if Geno's value is being defined by "nobody wants him enough to trade up for him" then it means that he has equivalent value, in that sense, with Fisher or Joeckel or anyone else. Because nobody is trading up for them, either. So once again, all else being equal Geno should be the pick based on positional value. Since *none* of the available players have "traditional" 1:1 value.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.


The most likely thing to do is trade Albert and take one of the lt's if you think they are as good or better than Albert

No you don't.

If you think that they are going to be as good as Albert, you keep Albert. He's finally come into his own and is playing good ball and just entering his prime.

You don't sign Alex Smith and try to protect him with a rookie offensive tackle if you are attempting to win now and get the fan base motivated again.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You don't sign Alex Smith and try to protect him with a rookie offensive tackle if you are attempting to win now and get the fan base motivated again.

That's just silliness. You should draft a tackle in the first every year. That way you can have a whole line made up with top picks, and since you have them all on 5 year contracts, you recycle and keep the cost down!!!!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No you don't.

If you think that they are going to be as good as Albert, you keep Albert. He's finally come into his own and is playing good ball and just entering his prime.

You don't sign Alex Smith and try to protect him with a rookie offensive tackle if you are attempting to win now and get the fan base motivated again.

In a vacuum no.

But if Albert wants a lot more than they wan or think he deserves and they view fisher or joeckel to be a younger cheaper better option, make that move.

[RunKC]

I don't believe the Eagles want Geno bad enough to trade up for him. I think they'd rather draft EJ Manuel and get the BPA (aka Fisher) rather than giving up picks to move up.

I think the most likely team to draft Geno now is the Jags and even they might not want him.

Albert is a solid LT, but he doesn't seem to be the elite LT that people are pumping him up to be.

I think Joeckel and Fisher can be better LT's for this team than Albert.

Most likely scenario is that we trade Albert for a 2nd and use the first pick on Joeckel, though I like Fisher more.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don't believe the Eagles want Geno bad enough to trade up for him. I think they'd rather draft EJ Manuel and get the BPA (aka Fisher) rather than giving up picks to move up.

I think the most likely team to draft Geno now is the Jags and even they might not want him.

Albert is a solid LT, but he doesn't seem to be the elite LT that people are pumping him up to be.

I think Joeckel and Fisher can be better LT's for this team than Albert.

Most likely scenario is that we trade Albert for a 2nd and use the first pick on Joeckel, though I like Fisher more.

So if either of those LTs are sure fire elite let's we should have no problem trading back with a team that migt miss out on them, right?

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by O.city

So if either of those LTs are sure fire elite let's we should have no problem trading back with a team that migt miss out on them, right?

surefire elites?

these ARE the same left tackles that everybody is referring to as 'middle to late first rounders' in normal years, yes?

it's ****ed up, I don't get people. there are no elite QBs... OMGZ WE CAN'T DRAFT THE BEST QB. there are no elite LTs... OMGZ WE HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THESE LTS!

this is ignoring the fact that we have a perfectly serviceable LT already.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

surefire elites?

these ARE the same left tackles that everybody is referring to as 'middle to late first rounders' in normal years, yes?

it's ****ed up, I don't get people. there are no elite QBs... OMGZ WE CAN'T DRAFT THE BEST QB. there are no elite LTs... OMGZ WE HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THESE LTS!

this is ignoring the fact that we have a perfectly serviceable LT already.

I just find the whole " no one wants to trade up for geno, therefor he sucks " rhetoric a little off.


If you go by that logic alone, no one in this draft is worth it. Then we circularly get back to positional value when all else is equal.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

So if either of those LTs are sure fire elite let's we should have no problem trading back with a team that migt miss out on them, right?

They are one of the higher graded LT's in awhile. Both get really high grades and are all top 7 talents in the draft.

I don't think anyone is going to trade up with us because there are 3 of them. I think the trades will come around the 5th or 6th pick when Lane Johnson is the only one left.

[PRIMETIME211]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

No you don't.

If you think that they are going to be as good as Albert, you keep Albert. He's finally come into his own and is playing good ball and just entering his prime.

You don't sign Alex Smith and try to protect him with a rookie offensive tackle if you are attempting to win now and get the fan base motivated again.

Hahahaha I've heard so much on geno bust smith on this board, I'm gonna love the meltdown come draft day lmao

[ChiefAshhole20]

Originally Posted by PRIMETIME211

Hahahaha I've heard so much on geno bust smith on this board, I'm gonna love the meltdown come draft day lmao

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[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by O.city

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.


The most likely thing to do is trade Albert and take one of the lt's if you think they are as good or better than Albert

Actually that would be logic for drafting BAP. And the only people on the planet who think Geno is the BAP at #1, post on this forum.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

By that logic, no one is worth the pick because no one wants to trade up for anyone. IMO that's a lot of the logic for taking geno. No one in the top 15 or so this year, really stands out. This could end up being 09 in terms of busts as there are a lot of guys picked on potential.


The most likely thing to do is trade Albert and take one of the lt's if you think they are as good or better than Albert

Not if they knew the first team wasn't taking the player, but the next team might. People are talking like Geno is THE answer at QB a future all pro, almost guaranteed. What team would pass up a chance to grab him?

We'll see, I'm starting to think the Albert trade is unlikely.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

Not if they knew the first team wasn't taking the player, but the next team might. People are talking like Geno is THE answer at QB a future all pro, almost guaranteed. What team would pass up a chance to grab him?

We'll see, I'm starting to think the Albert trade is unlikely.

With the chiefs past in regards to qbs and being in this position this year, obviously people here are a little over charged about the matter. So gotta take a lot of the stuff around here with a grain of salt.

But in regards to teams trading up, there isn't anyone to trade up for. So I'd probably be more inclined to take a guy who could potentially be a difference maker at an important position, depending what happens with Albert