Chiefs How would YOU try to improve the defense?

UChieffyBugger · 05:12 PM

Amid all the hysteria over our two wins and offensive performances, I'm just wondering what can realistically be done to improve the defense? Now we know Berry will hopefully be returning soon which should be massive, but with the way this offense is looking, just a slight improvement on defense could take us to the promise land yall. So does Veach sit, be patient and hope Berry is enough to improve things? Should he get on the phone and beg Breeland to join the kingdom? Or should he seek to make a trade of some sort?

I think I'd probably go with trying to get Breeland in and with Berry added to the mix I think the unit would be vastly improved.

...Breeland...Berry...Parker...Fuller...

With Nelson In the slot. Surely that would be enough?

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:03 PM

They're not bringing in Breeland. That dream is dead.

The only hope for the defense to improve is that some of these guys pull their heads out. It is what it is.

UChieffyBugger · 09-16-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They're not bringing in Breeland. That dream is dead.

The only hope for the defense to improve is that some of these guys pull their heads out. It is what it is.

Why is it "dead"? We've got the cap space and we're clearly desperate at the moment!!.

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Why is it "dead"? We've got the cap space and we're clearly desperate at the moment!!.

There's a reason he hasn't signed anywhere - he's obviously not healthy.

rabblerouser · 09-16-2018, 05:10 PM

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There's a reason he hasn't signed anywhere - he's obviously not healthy.

Miami said that's why they didn't sign him - they don't know when he'll be ready to play.

Ron Swanson · 09-16-2018, 05:03 PM

Bring in a competent defensive coordinator

TLO · 09-16-2018, 05:04 PM

We give up 3000 yards a game and hope we can hold them to 3 most drives.

A few more turnovers would be nice too.

Hammock Parties · 09-16-2018, 05:07 PM

Trade a 6th round pick for a Pro Bowl corner.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-16-2018, 05:08 PM

Assuming Sutton isn't fired, which he probably won't be. I don't know if Reid is influencing this but stop with the ****ing prevent to protect a lead. That's happened back to back weeks and magically, our defense looks at least serviceable when we're not protecting a lead.

I also don't know how to feel about this... Veach gave Sutton a few thumpers in order to play bigger. We scaled back on DBs to do that. Yet, it seems like we still want to run a shitload of nickel & dime.

I'm still surprised Reid is sticking with Sutton. We are literally seeing a growing trend of Jim Johnson like defenses. You'd think he of all people would love the idea.

-King- · 09-16-2018, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Assuming Sutton isn't fired, which he probably won't be. I don't know if Reid is influencing this but stop with the ****ing prevent to protect a lead. That's happened back to back weeks and magically, our defense looks at least serviceable when we're not protecting a lead.

I also don't know how to feel about this... Veach gave Sutton a few thumpers in order to play bigger. We scaled back on DBs to do that. Yet, it seems like we still want to run a shitload of nickel & dime.

I'm still surprised Reid is sticking with Sutton. We are literally seeing a growing trend of Jim Johnson like defenses. You'd think he of all people would love the idea.

I never understood the strategy of getting all those "thumpers". It's not 1995. Of course teams are going to see those "thumpers" and pass the shit out of the ball. Especially since they know we can score at will.

We should have been heavy on getting corners, safeties, and pass rushers that don't run 5 second 40s. Everytime I see Speaks, I think Veach might not know what he's doing.
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chiefzilla1501 · 09-16-2018, 05:55 PM

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I never understood the strategy of getting all those "thumpers". It's not 1995. Of course teams are going to see those "thumpers" and pass the shit out of the ball. Especially since they know we can score at will.

We should have been heavy on getting corners, safeties, and pass rushers that don't run 5 second 40s. Everytime I see Speaks, I think Veach might not know what he's doing.
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It's really hard to say. The problem is veach went grocery shopping for probably the wrong cook. If Reid and veach wanted to get bigger, then go out and get a DC who will get your team to play bigger. Instead we're forcing big guys into nickel dime all the time and these guys are shitting the bed with tackling which reflects on coaching. Either veach is right and he has the wrong DC, or Sutton is right and veach should have loaded him with DBs.

Unfortunately I think we all know ths best solution is to can Sutton and bring in players to suit that new defense. I just hope we didn't pigeonhole ourselves into a scheme because we started rebuilding this year. I just don't understand the thought behind keeping a 70 year old DC who struggled last year when it was a perfect perfect opportunity to bring in a fresh face.

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's really hard to say. The problem is veach went grocery shopping for probably the wrong cook. If Reid and veach wanted to get bigger, then go out and get a DC who will get your team to play bigger. Instead we're forcing big guys into nickel dime all the time and these guys are shitting the bed with tackling which reflects on coaching. Either veach is right and he has the wrong DC, or Sutton is right and veach should have loaded him with DBs.

Unfortunately I think we all know ths best solution is to can Sutton and bring in players to suit that new defense. I just hope we didn't pigeonhole ourselves into a scheme because we started rebuilding this year. I just don't understand the thought behind keeping a 70 year old DC who struggled last year when it was a perfect perfect opportunity to bring in a fresh face.

You don't think Reid, Veach, and Sutton are on the same page regarding what type of personnel they want? LOL

chiefzilla1501 · 09-16-2018, 06:00 PM

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You don't think Reid, Veach, and Sutton are on the same page regarding what type of personnel they want? LOL

I think Reid defers a lot of defense to the DC, and Sutton can't adjust to the way the game is going. It's not like this is the first time Reid has had a struggling DC. I like what Sutton has done for us in the past, but he looks just plain lost. And blaming talent can only take you so far.

-King- · 09-16-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's really hard to say. The problem is veach went grocery shopping for probably the wrong cook. If Reid and veach wanted to get bigger, then go out and get a DC who will get your team to play bigger. Instead we're forcing big guys into nickel dime all the time and these guys are shitting the bed with tackling which reflects on coaching. Either veach is right and he has the wrong DC, or Sutton is right and veach should have loaded him with DBs.

Unfortunately I think we all know ths best solution is to can Sutton and bring in players to suit that new defense. I just hope we didn't pigeonhole ourselves into a scheme because we started rebuilding this year. I just don't understand the thought behind keeping a 70 year old DC who struggled last year when it was a perfect perfect opportunity to bring in a fresh face.

There's no scenario in which Veach was right unless he has a time machine.

How can you have the a great offense and not expect to be facing a ton of passing as teams try to keep up?
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rabblerouser · 09-16-2018, 05:09 PM

Get better players.

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