Scientists find cosmic ripples from birth of universe

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Could be, and realism is harsh enough to probably confirm it.

The thought of being special though, is unique to humans, poetry, love (sex for pleasure not just procreation). The extras over and beyond just animalistic instincts to survive or live.

Dogs have been companions to mankind since the written word, yet humans have dreamt and see the dreams fullfilled; air travel, internal combustion, jet propulsion, travel to the moon, see the ripples created by the birth of the universe on a telescope.....

It's hard to accept some realities, but humans not having a special quality and are just like any other animal, not true.

Does that mean any of the religions are right? I didn't say that....

What do we possess that is unique to us? We are gifted in that evolution fell our way, but there's nothing in us that isn't a chemical predisposition that is imposed on us through the transfer of genetic material. The transfer of that material was made possible because it aided our survival for long enough to allow us to pass our genes on.

If you can accept that and a higher being, kudos, you believe what I do. If you can't I repeat, kudos, I can't speak for you.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Dick Bull

What do we possess that is unique to us? We are gifted in that evolution fell our way, but there's nothing in us that isn't a chemical predisposition that is imposed on us through the transfer of genetic material. The transfer of that material was made possible because it aided our survival for long enough to allow us to pass our genes on.

If you can accept that and a higher being, kudos, you believe what I do. If you can't I repeat, kudos, I can't speak for you.

My point is in the same quantifiable thousands of years of evolution in humans/mankind is measurable, dogs not so much.

So it's easy to correlate that "evolution" into "special" qualities. Now is that just happenstance, primortal sludge going our way, or a devine design. We don't know, we think either science or religion points respective directions but in truth we just don't know.

It could be one or the other, maybe something we haven't thought of or "discovered" yet, or some combination of those. So we mask this primal ignorance into beliefs; of religion or science or some combination, so we can "explain" the truth we can't even comprehend (or may be ever able to comprehend)

[Fish]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Could be, and realism is harsh enough to probably confirm it.

The thought of being special though, is unique to humans, poetry, love (sex for pleasure not just procreation). The extras over and beyond just animalistic instincts to survive or live.

Dogs have been companions to mankind since the written word, yet humans have dreamt and see the dreams fullfilled; air travel, internal combustion, jet propulsion, travel to the moon, see the ripples created by the birth of the universe on a telescope.....

It's hard to accept some realities, but humans not having a special quality and are just like any other animal, not true.

Does that mean any of the religions are right? I didn't say that....

Sex for pleasure isn't unique to humans by any means. If you include masturbation, there are many many species that participate in sexual pleasure for fun. Porcupines masturbate with sticks. Bonobo females exchange sex for food, prostitution style. Groups of male dolphins often capture a concubine female and continuously rape her up without allowing her to escape. They also capture and rape baby seals sometimes, just for giggles.

All throughout the animal kingdom there are other animals that do most everything that humans do. In most cases, they do it better. The mantis shrimp has eyes that completely put human eyes to shame by a huge huge margin. Most underwater species have better vision that humans. Human strength is nothing compared to other similar sized species. We're slower than most other species.

Every animal is uniquely special in some way. Humans simply have a deeper intellect than others. And if we look back at our evolutionary history, we can even pinpoint the time in the past where we reached that intellect. We can see when we figured out how to use fire, how to use tools, how to hunt using teamwork, etc. The interesting thing is that we can see other species in their own stages of learning these things. We can see other birds and mammals using tools, using teamwork. We can see the process in action.

Humans certainly have a special quality. Just like all the other animals.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Fish

Sex for pleasure isn't unique to humans by any means. If you include masturbation, there are many many species that participate in sexual pleasure for fun. Porcupines masturbate with sticks. Bonobo females exchange sex for food, prostitution style. Groups of male dolphins often capture a concubine female and continuously rape her up without allowing her to escape. They also capture and rape baby seals sometimes, just for giggles.

All throughout the animal kingdom there are other animals that do most everything that humans do. In most cases, they do it better. The mantis shrimp has eyes that completely put human eyes to shame by a huge huge margin. Most underwater species have better vision that humans. Human strength is nothing compared to other similar sized species. We're slower than most other species.

Every animal is uniquely special in some way. Humans simply have a deeper intellect than others. And if we look back at our evolutionary history, we can even pinpoint the time in the past where we reached that intellect. We can see when we figured out how to use fire, how to use tools, how to hunt using teamwork, etc. The interesting thing is that we can see other species in their own stages of learning these things. We can see other birds and mammals using tools, using teamwork. We can see the process in action.

Humans certainly have a special quality. Just like all the other animals.

Humans can ask questions and have a much, much, much more profound way of communicating. This thread is a perfect example, your post is a perfect example. Humans can talk about things like facts and fiction, reality and magic and ask questions like "where do I come from, how does the universe work?"

[ActiveShooter]

Originally Posted by tmw4h5

I understand the thought process behind religion, spirits/souls, etc, etc.
We are a species that is so far advanced that we have essentially "mastered" our existence in the sense that we don't really have much to truly fear other than ourselves. We are the dominant species on the planet.
But, we've been here for just a fraction of time in relation to the age of our planet, let alone to age of the universe.
Further more, we have this mindset as humans that we are special - there has to be some reason for our existence other than just pure luck. (sorry, but probably not)
We, like every animal, are afraid to die. We say we aren't, but we are. We're afraid that when we die, it's just that - we're dead. We cease to exist. Our thoughts are gone. So, we have created this idea that there is a special afterlife just for us where we can continue to live forever.
It sucks, but realistically, we're just like any other animal.

You give man too much credit. "Mastered our existence" Lol. Sadly man likes to jump to conclusions on both the religious side and scientific side. If science can't see it or measure it, it doesn't exist. At least religion is somewhat honest telling you to believe on "faith".
I don't know 100% that there's a heaven, but I know 100% that there's a Satan and demons doing his bidding. No, I'm not referring to Obama, I'm referring to outright supernatural demons. I've personally been attacked 4 times by by a Demon. The unrecommended use of an Ouija board spared me a self inflicted death by identifying the attacking demon. I've also seen a full body apparition that science has zero explanation for except to say that I must've been asleep and dreamt it. The reality of these experiences are unexplainable through the myopic lens of science. I was agnostic and dismissive of the Bible when the first attack occurred. I really had a problem with Genesis. I am now a creationist, not in the Adam and Eve way, but in a intelligent design way. "If"science ever finds the missing links and proves macro evolution, I'm fine with it. Doesn't disprove God or Christ in any way. It's just a reminder to be cautious about the literal interpretation of everything in the bible and use it as a guide. I was also extremely dismissive of an ouija board. I thought plastic and cardboard was in no way powerful.
Man's problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know and anything from another dimension or supernatural gets dismissed because it can jeopardize previous findings. It's easier to just dismiss it as crazy. Man and science are in their infancy and until science realizes that, it shall remain so.
I haven't had a near death experience, but many have. Some had a great experience and some had a horrific experience. Science likes to explain it as a hallucination from the brain dying. That's the easiest determination to make because it only takes into account brain patterns and makes no mention of a soul which would be hard to prove.
Just 120 years ago, it was believed that if you went 70mph in a car, you would suffocate. Some believe that the vastness of the universe and the distance involved precludes any visitation of extraterrestrial life. They fail to recognize that just because it takes man 9 months to reach Mars, doesn't mean that lifeforms that are a million earth years older or even 1000 years more advanced can't cover distance with ease.
I've also seen a craft accelerate at a rate that would render any life aboard liquid if gravity wasn't mastered and all weight reduced to absolute zero. Someone has the capability. Spacemen, US, Russians? I don't know, but people that haven't seen are conditioned to put a tin foil hat on you.
Man's arrogance is his biggest handicap.
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[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by ActiveShooter

"If"science ever finds the missing links and proves macro evolution, I'm fine with it.

What missing links do you feel are required to prove evolution?

[ActiveShooter]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

What missing links do you feel are required to prove evolution?

Between Homoerectus and Homosapien, there's many micro evolutionary steps that have been discovered. That proves the possibility of a link between erectus and sapiens. Doesn't disprove a "clean sheet" design ie creationism, but what we have in front of us is what we have. The missing link is the "ape" that macro evolved into Homoerectus while all other primates stayed primitive.
Darwin didn't have knowledge of DNA and that's where it's getting exciting. Early DNA discoveries made darwinists jump to conclusions to fit their belief, their faith. Pigs, and Apes share a lot of DNA markers, so therefore they are relatives they espoused. Here again, jumping to a conclusion to fit an agenda or belief is another handicap of man. Recent DNA discovery unlocking more about DNA and is revealing that we're no more related by DNA than saying that our bodies are 90% water so we must be related.
I'm fine with either evolution or creation, because it doesn't disprove God, Christ, or the demon that I unfortunately know. Whether it's creation through a mythical poof or through a mythical macro evolution, doesn't matter to me.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by ActiveShooter

Between Homoerectus and Homosapien, there's many micro evolutionary steps that have been discovered. That proves the possibility of a link between erectus and sapiens. Doesn't disprove a "clean sheet" design ie creationism, but what we have in front of us is what we have. The missing link is the "ape" that macro evolved into Homoerectus while all other primates stayed primitive.
Darwin didn't have knowledge of DNA and that's where it's getting exciting. Early DNA discoveries made darwinists jump to conclusions to fit their belief, their faith. Pigs, and Apes share a lot of DNA markers, so therefore they are relatives they espoused. Here again, jumping to a conclusion to fit an agenda or belief is another handicap of man. Recent DNA discovery unlocking more about DNA and is revealing that we're no more related by DNA than saying that our bodies are 90% water so we must be related.
I'm fine with either evolution or creation, because it doesn't disprove God, Christ, or the demon that I unfortunately know. Whether it's creation through a mythical poof or through a mythical macro evolution, doesn't matter to me.

The problem with this is nobody seems to understand that nobody is saying we evolved from a monkey to homoerectus to homsapiens. All that it is saying is that we share a common ancestor.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by ActiveShooter

Between Homoerectus and Homosapien, there's many micro evolutionary steps that have been discovered. That proves the possibility of a link between erectus and sapiens. Doesn't disprove a "clean sheet" design ie creationism, but what we have in front of us is what we have. The missing link is the "ape" that macro evolved into Homoerectus while all other primates stayed primitive.
Darwin didn't have knowledge of DNA and that's where it's getting exciting. Early DNA discoveries made darwinists jump to conclusions to fit their belief, their faith. Pigs, and Apes share a lot of DNA markers, so therefore they are relatives they espoused. Here again, jumping to a conclusion to fit an agenda or belief is another handicap of man. Recent DNA discovery unlocking more about DNA and is revealing that we're no more related by DNA than saying that our bodies are 90% water so we must be related.
I'm fine with either evolution or creation, because it doesn't disprove God, Christ, or the demon that I unfortunately know. Whether it's creation through a mythical poof or through a mythical macro evolution, doesn't matter to me.

Humans are not descended from homo erectus just like we aren't descended from neanderthals.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

I don't know that anyone is offended. Are you?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

If you want to get to the literal since, humans did. Allah, Christian God, Jewish God, Greek/Roman Gods, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster are examples of different perceptions and beliefs of a omnipresence .

[crazycoffey]

Oh and iirc penguins are the only other mammal having sex for pleasure. Or so scientists say....

[Messier]

Humans accumulate knowledge over generations. Learning, not just from own own past, but that of our ancestors is a special thing.

[Strongside]

Boy, this thread went from "Wow, cool...science!" to DC in no time.