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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Barnwell on Derek Carr
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:15 PM   #76
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Jesus ****, tell me we aren't back to this shit again.

Why are we talking about Russell Wilson? Who the hell said that Smith was as good as that guy?

Goddammit people, you cannot continue to allow Clay to do this nonsense. You know this is what he does, right? Troll Alex Smith until he can find an opening to start comparing him to guys that everyone on this board will concede are superior to him. Then people start coming in knocking over straw men that the stupid ****ing troll propped up.

Why the shit are you folks still engaging this clown?
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:22 PM   #77
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Jesus ****, tell me we aren't back to this shit again.

Why are we talking about Russell Wilson? Who the hell said that Smith was as good as that guy?

Goddammit people, you cannot continue to allow Clay to do this nonsense. You know this is what he does, right? Troll Alex Smith until he can find an opening to start comparing him to guys that everyone on this board will concede are superior to him. Then people start coming in knocking over straw men that the stupid ****ing troll propped up.

Why the shit are you folks still engaging this clown?
dammit man I was enjoying watching that.
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Jesus ****, tell me we aren't back to this shit again.

Why are we talking about Russell Wilson? Who the hell said that Smith was as good as that guy?

Goddammit people, you cannot continue to allow Clay to do this nonsense. You know this is what he does, right? Troll Alex Smith until he can find an opening to start comparing him to guys that everyone on this board will concede are superior to him. Then people start coming in knocking over straw men that the stupid ****ing troll propped up.

Why the shit are you folks still engaging this clown?
For some strange reason I enjoy arguing with Clay. Mostly because he's going to have to eat crow eventually with this regime. Guilty as charged.
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:44 PM   #79
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For some strange reason I enjoy arguing with Clay. Mostly because he's going to have to eat crow eventually with this regime. Guilty as charged.
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:45 PM   #80
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Jesus ****, tell me we aren't back to this shit again.

Why are we talking about Russell Wilson? Who the hell said that Smith was as good as that guy?

Goddammit people, you cannot continue to allow Clay to do this nonsense. You know this is what he does, right? Troll Alex Smith until he can find an opening to start comparing him to guys that everyone on this board will concede are superior to him. Then people start coming in knocking over straw men that the stupid ****ing troll propped up.

Why the shit are you folks still engaging this clown?
I didn't bring up Alex Smith OR Russell Wilson.

You can thank staylor26 for that.

Oh, and YOU brought up Alex Smith. And then staylor continued to bring him up.

Don't blame ME for replying to YOU.

You're the clowns.
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:55 PM   #81
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He's already better than Smith. He's only played on teams with 32nd and 22nd ranked defenses and no ****ing running game.

A football team with Alex Smith and those defenses/running games would be in the top 5 for draft position every year.

We've got maybe two years left of "peak" Alex Smith, so enjoy 20 TD and 3500 yards and then wishing we had someone like Carr.

I mean do you even get that his best WR was a rookie last year...#2 was a draft bust poor man's Bowe.

lmfao...Chiefs fans...hilarious
Someone ban Clay already. For the love of God. Ban this douche.
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Old 08-18-2016, 02:06 PM   #82
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Someone ban Clay already. For the love of God. Ban this douche.
Sorry, I thought this was a Derek Carr thread.

Then OTHER PEOPLE started talking about Alex Smith.

I chimed in.

Sue me.
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Old 08-18-2016, 02:14 PM   #83
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Jesus ****, tell me we aren't back to this shit again.

Why are we talking about Russell Wilson? Who the hell said that Smith was as good as that guy?

Goddammit people, you cannot continue to allow Clay to do this nonsense. You know this is what he does, right? Troll Alex Smith until he can find an opening to start comparing him to guys that everyone on this board will concede are superior to him. Then people start coming in knocking over straw men that the stupid ****ing troll propped up.

Why the shit are you folks still engaging this clown?
They Never learn.

They are just as bad as him IMO.
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Sorry, I thought this was a Derek Carr thread.

Then OTHER PEOPLE started talking about Alex Smith.

I chimed in.

Sue me.
So you admit that you are operating off a mult account after being banned from here. Trespass much?
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I don't know if 38 tds in a year make it a bad year, especially for a 2nd year qb.

Carr may regress and or never improve in areas he needs to improve in. But 32 tds in his 2nd year is good progress from year 1.
Gotta go with this. And **** the Faiders!
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So you admit that you are operating off a mult account after being banned from here. Trespass much?

You're a mult
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Someone ban Clay already. For the love of God. Ban this douche.
A ****ing niner fan/Smith stalker calling for a ban? Despite Clay's multiple sins he's added more content tho this place than you ever could.
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I'd take Carr over Smith you all are homers
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I'd take Carr over Smith you all are homers
Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.
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Right now, for this season, this team, id hesitantly take Smith. I know hes not going to &@%$ it up, but I also know everything else has to go perfectly due to his passiveness as a medium to downfield passer.

Carr right now, this soon, could %$#@ it up, but long term Id take him easily over a caretaker type QB like Smith.
This pretty much sums it up.
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