PFW: Flowers told teammates he would give all the money back if he could just leave

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

He tried to trade DJ and Bowe in 2009. If you were a GM who was "building your franchise on consistancy," why would you re-sign and franchise players that you tried to trade in your first year on the job? Guys you tried to trade because they were inconsistant? Furthermore, he tried to trade them for cheap and no one wanted them. What does that say?

This is the biggest headscratcher with Pioli to me. They are both as inconsistant as ever. They just make more money.

Also, it's far more than the QB position. We don't have enough players with talent that care. It's not just the coach, the GM, and the QB. It's the rest of the god damn team too.

The sooner Pioli gets fired, the sooner the media starts pointing it out.

You keep talking about how Haley wasted years of your life.

DJ and Bowe were inconsistent before, and it would make some sense to trade them.

But under Haley they played with a level of consistency that they had not played with before, and are not playing with now.

You say that you've been a fan for 37 years, and I really admire you inability to learn anything in those 37 years.

Accountability is required to get the most out of a team.

Haley demanded acountability, and the results were that he got consistent play from those guys.

Player's coaches never get those results.

I am not surprised that Romeo is getting the results from this team that he's getting.

The only surprise is that he's managed to get these results so quickly.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

The only surprise is that he's managed to get these results so quickly.

Last season's 3-game "We love Romeo" bullshit blinded a lot of people.

They would have lost two of those games instead of just one if Cassel had been under center.

Maybe even all three, because Cassel was beaten by Tebow once already that year.

Romeo should mail Kyle Orton a check for a million bucks as thanks for the extra retirement fund.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Last season's 3-game "We love Romeo" bullshit blinded a lot of people.

They would have lost two of those games instead of just one if Cassel had been under center.

Maybe even all three, because Cassel was beaten by Tebow once already that year.

Romeo should mail Kyle Orton a check for a million bucks as thanks for the extra retirement fund.

QB is not that important.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Last season's 3-game "We love Romeo" bullshit blinded a lot of people.

They would have lost two of those games instead of just one if Cassel had been under center.

Maybe even all three, because Cassel was beaten by Tebow once already that year.

Romeo should mail Kyle Orton a check for a million bucks as thanks for the extra retirement fund.

You'll recall, in the debate between you and I regarding Jeff Fisher, I said that the reason I would rather hire Crennel over Fisher is that Fisher would assure us mediocrity for the next decade or more, while Romeo's failure would at least offer us hope for the future when he was fired.

As I said, I expected this.

I am only surprised at how quickly these players stopped responding.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by milkman

You keep talking about how Haley wasted years of your life.

DJ and Bowe were inconsistent before, and it would make some sense to trade them.

But under Haley they played with a level of consistency that they had not played with before, and are not playing with now.

You say that you've been a fan for 37 years, and I really admire you inability to learn anything in those 37 years.

Accountability is required to get the most out of a team.

Haley demanded acountability, and the results were that he got consistent play from those guys.

Player's coaches never get those results.

I am not surprised that Romeo is getting the results from this team that he's getting.

The only surprise is that he's managed to get these results so quickly.

To an extent I agree but, no, I don't really think Haley made them better.

They were both playing for second contacts imo. Bowe has always been about the money. He asked for a contract after Indy last year. He has a superior performance against crap and asks for money. It's the same thing as you kid laying on the couch all week and then asking for $20 after he takes out the trash imo.

Look what happened after the trade threat

Trade threat turned the light on for Dwayne Bowe


Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 19, 2009, 3:05 PM EST

As pointed out in the Chiefs-Redskins portion our Morning Aftermath, Kansas City receiver Dwayne Bowe caught six passes for 109 yards. It was his best output of the season.

Bowe’s performance came at a time when rumors are rampant that he (and pretty much any other Chiefs player not named “Matt Cassel”) is available as the trade deadline looms.

So was he motivated by the rumors? As it turns out, no.

Bowe was motivated by a specific threat, from coach Todd Haley.

Per a league source, Haley tore into Bowe early in Sunday’s win over the Redskins, urging Bowe to pick up his game and threatening to trade Bowe if he didn’t.

Though some might have seen it as a chance to get over the wall and head to a contending team, the exchange seemed to light a fire under Bowe.

So we suppose it would be fitting if the performance prompts a team like the Dolphins or Ravens to make the Chiefs an offer for Bowe that G.M. Scott Pioli accepts.

I honestly don't think Haley ever liked Bowe either. He didn't even stick up for him about the alligotor arms incident which makes me think he thought Bowe pussed out. Even when he was directly asked about it, he declined to answer.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

To an extent I agree but, no, I don't really think Haley made them better.

They were both playing for second contacts imo.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

To an extent I agree but, no, I don't really think Haley made them better.

They were both playing for second contacts imo.

And Bowe, you dipshit, is still playing for his second contract.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by milkman

And Bowe, you dipshit, is still playing for his second contract.

Yes he is and that's why he didn't get a contract. If he had, he would be even worse than he is right now.

However, he did get franchised and I don't get that. Pioli knew who he was and he shouldn't have done that imo.

He is all about the money. He is motivated by money. You watch, he is going to be a free agent dud in 2013.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Yes he is and that's why he didn't get a contract. If he had, he would be even worse than his right now.

However, he did get franchised and I don't get that. Pioli knew who he was and he shouldn't have done that imo.

He is all about the money. He is motivated by money. You watch, he is going to be a free agent dud in 2013.

Oh cool so you just fixed his contract. Just make it all about incentives.

Oh wait what are the turds that he has had throwing him the ball his entire career.

Some would void their contracts just to get away from the current regime. You bet the problem is the players. You know they are all about money. They don't really want to win. They just want money.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oh cool so you just fixed his contract. Just make it all about incentives.

O

Good luck getting his agent to go for that. Someone will make a big mistake and pay him.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Good luck getting his agent to go for that. Someone will make a big mistake and pay him.

Read it now. Fricking touchpad on my laptop submited before I was done.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

Yes he is and that's why he didn't get a contract. If he had, he would be even worse than his right now.

However, he did get franchised and I don't get that. Pioli knew who he was and he shouldn't have done that imo.

He is all about the money. He is motivated by money.

Here's what I'm getting from this.

Haley had nothing to do with Bowe's improved consistency.

It was all about playing for the second contract.

But his play has regressed this year, even though he is still playing for that second contract.

But it would be worse, but because he is still playing for a second contract.

The fact that his play improved while Haley was here, and has regressed without the presence of Haley is purely coincidental.

It's all so clear to me now.

Morons are insulted by the fact that I called you a moron.

Even morons aren't this stupid.

[cyborgtable]

Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

To an extent I agree but, no, I don't really think Haley made them better.

They were both playing for second contacts imo.