Bob Sutton sucks, say Jets fans

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Goodness gracious, what an awful decision that would be for the Chiefs.

You probably remember Sutton's run as Jets defensive coordinator under Eric Mangini from 2006 to 2008. The Jets never had a defense ranked higher than 16th. The scheme was unimaginative.

Sutton didn't blitz much, and when he did, it was terribly designed. This all led to a demotion when Rex Ryan came aboard.

As you all know, playing with largely the same personnel and without the best player Sutton had, Kris Jenkins, for most of the year the Jets had the number one defense in the league the year after Sutton left the defensive coordinator post.

With all of the good coaches the Jets have on defense, Andy Reid is going to hire the one bad coach.

[RunKC]

The moment Justin Houston got hurt this defense collapsed.

Tamba feeds off the attention going to Houston and vice versa. This secondary is a huge problem and I'm amazed that Sutton could cover it up as long as he could.

[dj56dt58]

This "the D is fatigued" excuse doesn't make much since. I understand Poe being fatigued, but our O typically dominates time of possession. Why should they be more fatigued than any other D?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The moment Justin Houston got hurt this defense collapsed.

Tamba feeds off the attention going to Houston and vice versa. This secondary is a huge problem and I'm amazed that Sutton could cover it up as long as he could.

actually the defense started collapsing before Houston got hurt

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

actually the defense started collapsing before Houston got hurt

I disagree. I thought our d played better than they got credit for against Denver and their first half defense against San Diego was phenomenal. I also think about their performance against indy... They played well and Justin Houston would have made them great.

Since the bye week, their two major collapses on defense were against Philip rivers minus Houston and Hali, and the second time against Peyton Manning. There is still hope that with a rested D and Houston healthy, they can be a force in the playoffs. And I certainly think they're capable of giving either dalton or luck problems.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

This "the D is fatigued" excuse doesn't make much since. I understand Poe being fatigued, but our O typically dominates time of possession. Why should they be more fatigued than any other D?

Because there is no depth, and the playmakers on this defense, Hali, DJ, People, and Houston, before his injury, have been playing nearly every single snap.

And that TOP figure is something of an illusion.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by milkman

Because there is no depth, and the playmakers on this defense, Hali, DJ, People, and Houston, before his injury, have been playing nearly every single snap.

And that TOP figure is something of an illusion.

At first, I thought the D being gassed might have been true. Though, after awhile, I'm starting to realize that the pass rush has been an anomaly inflated by just a few games. I guess there really isn't a way to prove which theory is correct, but I just find it hard to believe the coaches would continue to run these players out there if they knew the problem was fatigue.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The moment Justin Houston got hurt this defense collapsed.

Tamba feeds off the attention going to Houston and vice versa. This secondary is a huge problem and I'm amazed that Sutton could cover it up as long as he could.

Wrong, the defense was going down-hill before that, it was just glossed over by backup QBs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Wrong, the defense was going down-hill before that, it was just glossed over by backup QBs.

The defense at full or close to fill strength looked excellent against Philip rivers. They held their own against Andrew luck. The defense has not been bad after the bye week. Peyton manning embarrassed the chiefs d. He embarrasses a lot of teams.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The defense at full or close to fill strength looked excellent against Philip rivers. They held their own against Andrew luck. The defense has not been bad after the bye week. Peyton manning embarrassed the chiefs d. He embarrasses a lot of teams.

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Three7s

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

You don't even have to get to the Raiders. Rivers threw for almost 400 yards against the Chiefs. Denver exposed the defense. When K.C. couldn't get to Manning, Flowers couldn't stop Welker and Cooper couldn't stop anyone. That gave everyone the way to beat the Chiefs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Three7s

And how do you explain the Raiders debacle? 31 points against that team should be against the law, and one sack against a team that was FORCED to pass almost all the time.

Yes, Houston is a big loss, but you expect me to believe that one player is responsible for the whole defense's success?

I don't care nearly as much about how many points the D gave up in a game where we scored 35 points in one half. To me, the only games that mattered since the bye were Denver twice, SD, and Indy. The Chiefs played solid enough D against Denver in game 1. They played exceptional defense in the first half against an explosive offense, then collapsed when they lost both Hali and Houston. They played very good defense against Indy. With Houston in San Diego our D probably could have looked at least average. Against Indy, we could have went from good to excellent.

The post bye week D hasn't been nearly as bad as we've made it sound. I don't think we're going to stop Peyton Manning or Brady in the playoffs. But is that really what we're shooting for in year 1 of a new regime?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You don't even have to get to the Raiders. Rivers threw for almost 400 yards against the Chiefs. Denver exposed the defense. When K.C. couldn't get to Manning, Flowers couldn't stop Welker and Cooper couldn't stop anyone. That gave everyone the way to beat the Chiefs.

Rivers threw almost all of his yards on a Chiefs' defense that doesn't have the depth to lose their two most critical players. This defense is obviously going to suck big time without Hali and Houston. Rivers was knocked around a lot when we had both or just one of those guys on our D.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't care nearly as much about how many points the D gave up in a game where we scored 35 points in one half. To me, the only games that mattered since the bye were Denver twice, SD, and Indy. The Chiefs played solid enough D against Denver in game 1. They played exceptional defense in the first half against an explosive offense, then collapsed when they lost both Hali and Houston. They played very good defense against Indy. With Houston in San Diego our D probably could have looked at least average. Against Indy, we could have went from good to excellent.

The post bye week D hasn't been nearly as bad as we've made it sound. I don't think we're going to stop Peyton Manning or Brady in the playoffs. But is that really what we're shooting for in year 1 of a new regime?

You're saying it doesn't matter that the Chiefs were up 35-10 and the Raiders scored 3 unanswered TDs to make it a game due to a defensive collapse? Face it, that performance was 2003 all over again. Who cares about the margin of victory?

[Mav]

passing league, dominated by the NFL's love of offense, the inability to touch anyone now days, and the refs habit of swallowing their whistles, and losing of their flags whenever, *which is damn near every play* tamba hali is placed into a rear naked choke.

Those things add up.

Oh, and Kendrick Lewis.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

This "the D is fatigued" excuse doesn't make much since. I understand Poe being fatigued, but our O typically dominates time of possession. Why should they be more fatigued than any other D?

I don't know how much fatigue really matters, but the reason people might think Poe is fatigued is because he has played more snaps this season than any other DT in the league.

1. Dontari Poe 1004
2. Gerald McCoy 924
3. Jurrell Casey 891
...
10. Michael Brockers 752
...
15. Randy Starks 688
...
20. Akeem Spence 663
...
25. Pat Sims 637
...
30. Malik Jackson 560
31. Phil Taylor 555
32. Earl Mitchell 523

The average number of snaps for the 32 most heavily used DTs is 713. Poe is being used 33% more than the average DT.